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#120156 - 11/26/03 09:48 AM Re: Myths about point sparring
dazzler Offline

Registered: 09/22/03
Posts: 296
Loc: England
We are not the peoples front of judea..we are the judean peoples front...!!

Sorry - completely irrelevant to real arguement but do you think the monty python team knew about MAs?

#120157 - 11/26/03 10:10 AM Re: Myths about point sparring
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Registered: 03/24/03
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by dazzler:
We are not the peoples front of judea..we are the judean peoples front...!!

Now that's funny [IMG][/IMG]

#120158 - 11/26/03 02:24 PM Re: Myths about point sparring
kiwi Offline

Registered: 07/26/03
Posts: 789
Loc: Wellington New Zealand
High Section is above the neck Middle section is waist to shoulders.
Points will be awarded for successfully delivered attacks. Each attack must be controlled and light contact is required to score.
1 POINT will be awarded for;
Hand attack to mid or high section
Foot attack to mid section
2 POINTS will be awarded for;
Foot attack directed to high section
Flying hand attack to high section (both feet must be off the ground)
Flying kick to mid section
5 POINTS will be awarded for;
Flying kick to high section

"and light contact is required to score."

It's like the differenece between all those different karate's.

Check out tonrament rules 2002.

Can you post a link to where you found the technically it doesn't have to make contact rules.

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#120159 - 11/26/03 03:52 PM Re: Myths about point sparring

Article 37. FOULS
One point will be deducted for the following offences:
A. Loss of temper,
B. insulting an opponent in any way,
C. biting/scratching/clawing,
D. attacking with the knee, elbow or forehead,
E. attacking a fallen opponent,
F. contact.

Pay special attention to "f"

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#120160 - 11/26/03 06:03 PM Re: Myths about point sparring
elleTKD Offline

Registered: 11/06/03
Posts: 236
Loc: USA

I understand your frustration with people's conceptions about sparring. Obviously, you enjoy it very much and would like to see it respected, as would I. Sparring is more controlled, and sometimes less physical, than other martial arts. However, I doubt anyone on this forum could argue a good sparrer is lacking in skill. Sparring takes endurance, strength, skill, stamina, coordination, and quick reflexes. [IMG][/IMG]


On several posts, you have complained about TKD having too many kicks. Now you have a problem that sparring, one application of TKD, has too many kicks. So, you expect a kicking art not to feature kicks in any of its excersises? Sparring is an excersise, not designed for real combat or street effectiveness. It is designed to develop timing, agility, comfort using combonations, strength, skill, and stamina. Maybe it isnt as rough&tough as some other arts, but who cares? I dont get the impression that you are a TKD practitioner, so why does sparring concern you?

Please, if your TKD history is different than i am assuming, correct me. Otherwise, I doubt your arguements will affect Kiwi or I.


#120161 - 11/26/03 09:04 PM Re: Myths about point sparring
kiwi Offline

Registered: 07/26/03
Posts: 789
Loc: Wellington New Zealand
Thanks for the link nekogami, I didn't know some tornaments were run that way. However I have never seen a non-contact TKD tornament. Which leads me to believe that atleast in AUstralia and New ZEalnd they are not common.

Anyway, the main point is that I have proven that I'm not lying, as John implied. Or acting outside the rules. These are the rules in many point sparring competitions. I find the rules that nekogami and John posted baffling, how can you attack a downed opponent without making contact or is that two fouls. Is biting and scratching two fouls because you touched your opponent and scratched them. If you headbutt your opponet is that two fouls or just one.

Basicly you've looked up these rules and presumed that the way all point sparring competitions are run, you've presumed you know what TKD point comps are like without going to one.

Scroll down throughb the pictures till you get to Leonhardt - Canada. This is from the same sight that you and John got your rules from, does this look like non contact?

again, look at these photos, does this look like no contact?

The photos above are the ITF world champs. Scroll down to nine phots before the end. The pictures of the two woman fighting. DOes this look like no contact? Does this look like sparring overly reliant on feet?

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#120162 - 11/27/03 10:27 AM Re: Myths about point sparring
Rand Offline

Registered: 03/30/03
Posts: 338
hey! i dont use a chest protecter when i fight!

of course i dont point spar

but thats not the point

not all Tae Kwon Do practitioners use all this fancy protective equipment and hop on one leg and leg fence

also i practice wtf "style" i guess you could call it atleast thats one aspect of my martial training

i dont understand this thing were everyone thinks that wtf is so much worse than other organizations

atleast in my school we go full contact in sparring and sometimes even work on more than one attacker scenarios in full contact sparring were the fighters can use any technique available to them

#120163 - 11/27/03 02:10 PM Re: Myths about point sparring

The problem with tkd(as with any other Ma-karate, whatever) is the fact you cannot drive 1/2 a block without a tkd school.The majority of these schools are overly priced baby sitting services that have fooled people into believing they are learning to defend themselves when what they are really learning is to point spar.

I personaly have nothing against tkd.Like any MA, the quality of instruction and what you put into it determine what you get out of it.

Kiwi, you make sweeping statements about tkd sparring as if that is the way all tkd sparring is conducted.From what I have personaly observed, it simply is not true.
If your association/school spar that way-great! Sounds like a solid school.
Unfortunately I have witnessed sparring where the participants arms flopped uselessly down at their sides(this was called professional tkd).I had a friend in tkd-when they sparred no punches to head were allowed.

So when you call these myths, we see them as verifiable, personaly witnessed facts.

#120164 - 11/27/03 02:17 PM Re: Myths about point sparring
kiwi Offline

Registered: 07/26/03
Posts: 789
Loc: Wellington New Zealand
I make sweeping statements about ITF TKD. No punches to the head is Olympic and WTF.

The rules i describe are used thoughout the majority of ITF organisations. Even the world chaps held by the orgainisation that displayed the rules John showed use contact sparring at the world champs.

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