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#119643 - 11/02/05 11:55 PM Re: Olympic TKD [Re: Rand]
StormDOA Offline

Registered: 08/16/03
Posts: 142
Loc: Lansing, Mich., USA
I agree with rand entirely, although just because you are in good shape as a tournament fighter certainly does not mean you are a tough self defense or combat fighter, it sure is an indicator of ability. Frankly I am just so tired of people ranting on and on about TKD's effectiveness I that I oftentimes think about not posting at all. Martial arts are like religion, it depends entirelyon the institution and your own interpretation of it. It is the man that makes the art not the art that makes the man.

This used to be a really good place to get advice and share information, latelyit seems like it is just a chance to boast, put down and talk ligght trash. Too bad really, takes to real enjoyment and use out of the forum often.
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#119644 - 11/03/05 12:38 AM Re: Olympic TKD [Re: StormDOA]
moosulman Offline

Registered: 10/26/05
Posts: 57
No one here is ranting about TKD effectiveness. But people here such as myself and whitetiger are trying to defend it. Yeah, you'r right. The man makes the art. You pointed out that there seems to be too much of these effectiveness talks going around. People like whitetiger and myself are just trying to combat ignorance.
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#119645 - 11/03/05 01:08 AM Re: Olympic TKD [Re: Rand]
Subedei Offline

Registered: 12/23/04
Posts: 479
When you say spar are you talking about freesparring or sparring under competition rules?

Surely the 'point' of Tae Kwon Do is improving your ability to fight but how do you expect to get better at fighting without sparring?

#119646 - 11/03/05 03:02 AM Re: Olympic TKD [Re: Subedei]
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Registered: 05/15/05
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What narks me is "competition" techniques which are designed to get points but are just plain gamesmanship and, to my mind, dishonourable.

I saw one guy pull the old trick of running in and slapping himself (to make the noise) and then raising his arms and making out he'd scored a point. Of course the refs haven't seen it and give it. I'd love to see him do that in a real fight and find that the other guy just lamps him one in the chops!

Another funny scene is the guy who chases the other all around the mat doing loads of wonderful techniques and kihaps (although never touching the opponent)and finishing in a great stance and a loud "Haaaaah!"... answer, a backfist to the head by opponent. POINT!

Sooo funny!
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#119647 - 11/03/05 12:13 PM Re: Olympic TKD [Re: trevek]
Leo_E_49 Offline
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Registered: 02/24/05
Posts: 4117
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Without sparring, you're just pretending at fighting. No amount of drills make up for being in the thick of it against a creative, thinking human being. People can be incredibly tricky and crafty and unless you spar them for real you'll never understand how fighting really works. (Barring the exception of where you go out and pick fights or have been forced into a self defense situation. The first is stupid and the second is risky because it's your life on the line. Sparring is better than both of these)

Unfortunately, the less rules there are when you are sparring the better prepared you will be and TKD has too many rules imho. That's all that needs to change in TKD sparring I think. Keep it full contact.
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#119648 - 11/03/05 12:28 PM Re: Olympic TKD [Re: Leo_E_49]
SANCHIN31 Offline
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Registered: 12/26/04
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Holy crap!! This thread is over two years old!!!!

Olympic sparring doesn't affect my training whatsoever. Who cares?
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#119649 - 11/03/05 04:22 PM Re: Olympic TKD [Re: SANCHIN31]
Leo_E_49 Offline
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My goodness! I didn't notice it was so old.
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#119650 - 11/19/05 03:17 PM Re: Olympic TKD [Re: MikeTkD]
TaeKwonMiles Offline

Registered: 11/16/05
Posts: 76
Loc: Cincinati, Ohio, United States
Point sparring is a type of sparring where after someone scores a point, you stop and go back and restart the fight instead of keep on fighting like kyrogui.

#119651 - 12/24/05 06:39 PM Re: Olympic TKD [Re: MikeTkD]
TeK9 Offline
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Registered: 12/22/05
Posts: 2257
Loc: Northern California, USA
You should probably ignore most of those posts. They completely ignored the question and probably do not really have insight into modern tae kwon do.

Olypic style tae kwon do is the new modern version of tae kwon do, its about 40-50 years old now. It places great emphasis on kicking techniques, soo much so that new innovative techniques are now being used. The design and application of these new kicks allow for a more versitile for of kicking combinations. Kicks that include, small jumps and spins to achive greater speed and power from a more scientific point of view. The new kicks are now initiated from a smaller trajectile arc, different from the old style of kicks which came from a wide arc to increase its power. Although they had more power they were very much telgraphed. Unlike the new kicks.

Traditional tae kwon do which doesn't have to be part of the International Tae kwon do Federation (ITF), it can be known as korean karate. The emphasis is on self defense and poomse (form training). The style of open-trounament sparring they practice for is geared towards 3 point sparring. They compete against other forms of martial arts. While Olymipic tae kwon do only compete amongts other olympic tae kwon do schools who are under the banner of the World Tae kwon do Federation or some sub-organization.

The two styles have exactly the same hand techniques, but traditional ephasizes more self defense rather than sparring. The kicks are now completely different, there are even more kicks in moder tae kwon do due to the new sparrig system. More kicking combinations, faster pace. Modern tkd no longer places its confidence on the "One hit kill" japanese philosophy, they really more on kciking combinations. Its almost like looking at kenpo except tkd involves more feet rather than hands.
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#119652 - 12/24/05 07:11 PM Re: Olympic TKD [Re: TeK9]
funstick5000 Offline

Registered: 07/16/05
Posts: 759
Loc: West Yorkshire, England
i should point out the only reason sport tkd has lost its punching techniques is because a punch will only get you 1 point.
Go seek the advise of a qualified instructor.

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