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#119603 - 05/23/05 05:26 PM Re: Ageism-Junior black belts [Re: TKD-Skippi]
cxt Offline
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Registered: 09/11/03
Posts: 5843
Loc: USA

You say:

"The period you learn most things is when your under 10"

Let me ask all the "under 10" year olds in my next college quantum physics class about that.

I'll get back to you later and tell you what they had to say about it.
I did battle with ignorance today.......and ignorance won. Huey.

#119604 - 07/27/05 06:01 PM Re: Ageism-Junior black belts [Re: kempo_jujitsu]
Spin_Hook Offline

Registered: 07/07/05
Posts: 45
If you want to be treated like an adult AND a blackbelt then wait until you're both an ADULT and a BLACKBELT.
While it's unfair to treat you as an inferior simply due to age, surely you can see (having some hindsight now) how hard it is to immediately take a 10 year old blackbelt seriously when the martial arts world is littered with young black belts that don't deserve that rank.

Being respected for your merits is something that, sadly, has to be earned and the amount of time that this can take varies. Sometimes it takes years of repeatedly showing people, through positive actions, that they were wrong in the first place.

Besides that, holding out for universely approval is an exercise in futility.

Children are amazingly good and miming, imitating, and following directions. However, they are generally much more rudimentary when it comes to actually understanding WHY they do what they do or being able to explain the rationale. No one is saying that young children can't throw kicks as one trip to a soccer league would prove you a fool. What people (generally) are trying to get at is that a 10 year old black belt knows the motions, but understands a tenth ABOUT the motion that an adult does. Knowledge alone makes a great lower ranked belt. Physicality alone makes a great lower ranked belt. However, it is only the combination of these that makes a great martial artist.

Edited by Spin_Hook (07/27/05 06:12 PM)
Aim first to understand; then to be understood.

#119605 - 07/28/05 11:11 AM Re: Ageism-Junior black belts [Re: kiwi]
Kepi Offline

Registered: 07/28/05
Posts: 5
Loc: Auckland, New Zealand
I agree with you kiwi in that if a person meets the standard of black belt they should be treated with the same respect as any other. However, this is where i think there is a problem. I believe that if a 10yo can acheive black belt it means one of two things. Either the standard is not high enough or the 10yo has been treated differently than anyone else. I mean be serious, can a 10yo move with the same speed, power, co-ordination as a fully grown adult? The difference is just as a man is to a boy. If the answer is that the standard is low enough for a 10yo to pass then I say again that the standard is too low. With a younger person being treated "nicely" in gradings I've seen it all the time and it simply shouldn't happen. In this case its the examiner who is to blame.

Note: I've based my opinion on the fact that the ultimate goal of a martial art is to learn to fight. If you can make up for lack of power or sparring skill with good looking moves/patterns then you are learning how to dance, not fight, which I dont consider to be true martial arts.
Teach me, I want to learn.

#119606 - 07/29/05 01:20 PM Re: Ageism-Junior black belts [Re: kiwi]
Christiancadet Offline

Registered: 06/08/04
Posts: 553
The reason many people fell disgust when faced with kiddy BBs is that unlike adults they cannot undergo the same physical abuse that is associated by many people with a BB test. I hate all belt ranks personally though and prefer an enviroment simular to wrestling where training\respect is based off of skill not "rank" I have knocked out enough BBs in tournaments where I as a gup rank competed in their division to not have faith in any peice of cloth that people decide to wrap around their waist. Wear a BB for all I care what I do care about is your ability to fight not what you wear.

#119607 - 07/31/05 02:44 AM Re: Ageism-Junior black belts [Re: Christiancadet]
Crazy_Eyes Offline

Registered: 05/12/05
Posts: 65
Loc: British Columbia Canada
Black belt is just mastery of technique till your level, just because your a blackbelt doesn't mean you can instantly kick ass. You need the spirit, and some people just dont have it in them, yes when it comes down to fighting, it's not about color it's about who comes out on top. But a black belt would have an advantage in understanding techniques.
-2nd Degree Black Belt (WTF)

#119608 - 01/05/06 02:35 PM Re: Ageism-Junior black belts [Re: Crazy_Eyes]
Sushi Offline

Registered: 11/23/05
Posts: 93
Loc: Germany
Very strange situation!

In Europe it takes at least 6 years to achieve a black belt. So how should anyone learn something at the age of 4 !!
That is ridicoulos!!
I started at the age of 7 and achieved my black belt at the age of 16! -
you might say I did not train enough?
I went to my dojang twice a week for 4 years
three times a week for another 4 years
and since the age of 15 I was practising 5 times a week.

So my opinion - it takes at least 6-7 years and you should start with Poomse not earlier than 8 years of age..

#119609 - 01/11/06 11:45 AM Re: Ageism-Junior black belts [Re: Sushi]
neofighter Offline

Registered: 01/07/06
Posts: 19
im 13, but i dnt hav trouble from senior blackbelts bcos i earned respect from them by training just as much as them and fighting as hard as i could against them. but i agree, junior blackbelts that dont know squat need to be put in line!!!!

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