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#119160 - 06/19/03 08:28 PM I want to just clear this up with everyone about kicks in TKD.
Tkdstreetfighter88 Offline
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Registered: 03/24/03
Posts: 138
Loc: Ocala, Fl, USA
I have already posted this in the tkd or jujitsu topic but i would like to put it out there because it is very important and everyone seems to be putting TKD with high kicks. I didnt post this in the why does tkd have high kicks section because i doubt anyone goes into that one anymore i know i dont.

Ok many of you think of high fancy kicks when you think about Tae Kwon Do.

People seem to think it is weak because of this one reason. Truth is Tkd is one of the most powerful martial arts you can learn, I never thought so until i started taking it.
See im training to be a pro Full contact fighter im going to train hard for another 4-5 years until i really start to compete, reason being i know im not ready im just learning everything i possibly can reason being why i post and read on this forum.I have trained in boxing, muay thai,

I have also learned a good amount of jujitsu from my friend but nothing had helped my power, speed, stanima, and defensive skills as Tae Kwon Do did.

and now i will get to why im posting this

Why do we learn high kicks in tae kwon do?
I thought about it and when i finally figured it out i asked my master and gave him my answer, to my suprise he smiled, patted me on the back and said he never had anyone figure this out on their own.

You constantly stretch and learn high kicks not to try to kick someone in the head far from it. (Even though i have found that snap kicks/jump snap kicks are an excellent knock out shot, do there devestation speed and anyone who has tryed to catch a full powered snap kick knows this. A powerful snap kick to opponents throat or jaw is very effective. You should only use it if you can snap kick a good 6 inches above the opponents jaw.)

But anyways you really learn high kicks because if you learn to kick real high with your kicks (rounhouse, axe, side, ect.) when you use them to lower targets of the mid and low section you have much much more power. Reason being if your able to use powerful high kicks those same kicks become lethal when used lower because you can follow through, penetarte and do much more damage beacuse of your flexibility from high kicks. Think about it everyone should get it.

Some dojangs use kick to the head but that should be only done in point sparring. If your instructor hasnt warned you about high kicks and most fancy spinn kicks and how not to use them in a street fight or full contact then chances are they dont know what there doing and probally are teaching you the sport of tkd and not the art. There only business is winning trophys and not turning you into a skilled martial artist.

I justed wanted to clear that up
You can listen to me or not
it wont hurt my feelings
but i guarantee you im not trying to BS and im dead serious

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#119161 - 06/19/03 09:54 PM Re: I want to just clear this up with everyone about kicks in TKD.
Yoseikan Student Offline
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tkdstreetfighter88:

You constantly stretch and learn high kicks not to try to kick someone in the head far from it. (Even though i have found that snap kicks/jump snap kicks are an excellent knock out shot, do there devestation speed and anyone who has tryed to catch a full powered snap kick knows this. A powerful snap kick to opponents throat or jaw is very effective. You should only use it if you can snap kick a good 6 inches above the opponents jaw.)

But anyways you really learn high kicks because if you learn to kick real high with your kicks (rounhouse, axe, side, ect.) when you use them to lower targets of the mid and low section you have much much more power. Reason being if your able to use powerful high kicks those same kicks become lethal when used lower because you can follow through, penetarte and do much more damage beacuse of your flexibility from high kicks. Think about it everyone should get it.

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Ok see where you are coming from and have read similar things about kata bunkai in karate. Would agree that throwing a kick through from a low position upwards does show ability to drive through - BUT on the whole many TKD kicks do not hit low and through - they hit high and are designed to do so - and thats why i'm going to have to disagree.

Being able to do high kicks will/ can improve the low kicks, but that does not mean that in training a high kick you are training a low kick. The only way to practice and perfect a technique is to do it and do it accurately.

You react/fight as you train.

If you kick high in training you kick high in fighting. Low kicks are different mechanically, so in training high kicks you are not practicing low kicks. In that respect I don't care what I'm told by an instructor - I know that that is a truth.

A high roundhouse hits the head first. A high snap to the chin/head is focused on the head and is driven through there. Both kicks are used a lot by TKD practicioners and they do not begin the impact at a low height - they were not designed to.

A side stamp kick is easier to drive through and get body weight behind that a high side thrust, but that is because they are different kicks NOT the same kick at a different height.

The mechanics of this is obvious.

[This message has been edited by Yoseikan Student (edited 06-19-2003).]

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#119162 - 06/20/03 07:08 PM Re: I want to just clear this up with everyone about kicks in TKD.
Tkdstreetfighter88 Offline
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Registered: 03/24/03
Posts: 138
Loc: Ocala, Fl, USA
What im saying is, i mean that learning high kicks will improve your flexibility meaning that when used to lower targets you can follow through farther meaning more power.

As for being designed to be used as high kicks i can understand in certain cases like the snap kick i was explaining, i also beleive that the roundhouse and inside cresent kick could also do damage as a high kick but i wouldnt bet my life on it in a fight that could send me to the hospital.

I mean think about it you use a high kick your open, have poor balance, and even if you do make contact your probaly only gonna hurt him enougth to piss him off not injure him.

High kicks are mainly for show ever try to use one in a full contact and you will understand what i mean.

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#119163 - 06/20/03 10:42 PM Re: I want to just clear this up with everyone about kicks in TKD.
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define full contact-like in muay thai?
like in kickboxing? Like in pride fighting tournament?
I have seen head kicks in all of these.effective ones that resulted in a knockout.
A few years back a thai fighter in the night of champions tournament double round kicked another fighter along the jawline.knocked him out with the first kick,knocked him thru the ropes with the second one. They were fighting under thai rules.
Would I try a head kick on the street, where there is no nice ref there to back the other fighter off if I fall on my ass or get kicked in the groin? No way.

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#119164 - 06/20/03 10:45 PM Re: I want to just clear this up with everyone about kicks in TKD.
Yoseikan Student Offline
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Loc: UK
good post

nuff said

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#119165 - 06/21/03 07:42 AM Re: I want to just clear this up with everyone about kicks in TKD.
Karate Dude Offline
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Registered: 04/29/03
Posts: 438
Loc: Knoxville tennessee u.s.a
[QUOTE]Originally posted by nekogami13:
define full contact-like in muay thai?
like in kickboxing? Like in pride fighting tournament?
I have seen head kicks in all of these.effective ones that resulted in a knockout.
A few years back a thai fighter in the night of champions tournament double round kicked another fighter along the jawline.knocked him out with the first kick,knocked him thru the ropes with the second one. They were fighting under thai rules.
Would I try a head kick on the street, where there is no nice ref there to back the other fighter off if I fall on my ass or get kicked in the groin? No way.
[/QUOTE]Neko's politically correct. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG]

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#119166 - 06/21/03 04:28 PM Re: I want to just clear this up with everyone about kicks in TKD.
Lothmir Offline
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Registered: 06/21/03
Posts: 24
Along with what everyone else has said about learning high kicks in TKD, the reason for high kicks is because it was originally used to kick enemies off their horses. Atleast, that's what I have read in a book about the history of martial arts. Thanks for your time! [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

-Lothmir(Flower Jewel)

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#119167 - 06/23/03 09:59 AM Re: I want to just clear this up with everyone about kicks in TKD.
Karate Dude Offline
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Registered: 04/29/03
Posts: 438
Loc: Knoxville tennessee u.s.a
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lothmir:
Along with what everyone else has said about learning high kicks in TKD, the reason for high kicks is because it was originally used to kick enemies off their horses. Atleast, that's what I have read in a book about the history of martial arts. Thanks for your time! [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

-Lothmir(Flower Jewel)
[/QUOTE]http://ocaladojo.tripod.com/karatedojo/id6.html
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#119168 - 06/23/03 01:06 PM Re: I want to just clear this up with everyone about kicks in TKD.
kempo_jujitsu Offline
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Registered: 06/15/03
Posts: 1914
Loc: illinois, usa
learning hight kicks for "COMPETITION" is one thing....self defense is completely different.

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#119169 - 06/24/03 12:45 PM Re: I want to just clear this up with everyone about kicks in TKD.
Tkdstreetfighter88 Offline
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Registered: 03/24/03
Posts: 138
Loc: Ocala, Fl, USA
As i said in my second post
Some high kicks can work
but it is to risky
if anyone wants to go use high kicks in fullconatct then best wishes toward ya
but as for me i think i'll think i'll stick to what i was taught

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