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#118776 - 03/26/03 04:55 AM Re: Force
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From now on I dubb thee "Legs" Chen! [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif[/IMG]

I'm always pretty much low and compact already when fighting. As mentioned before, I try to get real small (like that's gonna happen at 6' 220 lbs...).

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#118777 - 03/30/03 06:41 PM Re: Force
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Why the respect Chen?? More really a comment you made in the General forum. So I decided to post here....

It has taken an interesting angle though.

My initial comparison was the use of forward and dropping motion (in laymans terms ~ I wasn't any good at maths) to effect greater power on impact, as used in TKD, and that of the forward and twisting action associated with Karate.

It would seem that Scholar has added a new dimention. Spring. Is this the same as "Kime"? From relaxed to tense and back again?

Budo.

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#118778 - 03/31/03 12:40 PM Re: Force
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I am not sure what "Kime" is but springing techniques such as springing front kick of Muay Thai is quite effective in generating power.

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#118779 - 03/31/03 11:25 PM Re: Force
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Chen It means,Explosive power,As if,Focusing to attain power,Or something like that.:?

[This message has been edited by isshinryu kid (edited 04-01-2003).]

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#118780 - 04/01/03 05:42 AM Re: Force
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There are also referances to using the principles in Kicking where you push standing leg into ground then utilize the "spring back" with jerking the waist. Is this what you refer to in the "Springing front kick technique"? Using these principles are a bit beyond me as I would rely on TKD for kicking , I'd like more input as to how to use for kicking and it's relative pros and cons. Also as far as "Kime" it appears that depth is the additional factor as to whether the energy is a shock inside the body as opposed to a penetration and that the end of strike may"oppositely" be a relax to send out the energy by lessening the muscular resistance to the energy flowing , as referenced to the loosing of a taunt bow when you release to let the arrow fly.

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#118781 - 04/01/03 10:38 AM Re: Force
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Ok Scholar, Yes it was what i was referring to.There are various gains and losses from these types of attacks. I'll use the springing front kick as example again. Flaws first, Its a very committed attack. Once you let loose with this there is no turning back. If you miss then you are wide open to attack since you are extended out so far. You have no balance in this type of kick since your energy is moving forward you have no anchor. Not to mention it is a difficult kick to learn in comparison of traditional kicking styles. Now the gains. The spring and forward momentum of this kick leads to devastating results on impact, driving thru your opponent as if you are trying to break a board. As I mentioned earlier if you miss you are wide open but there is one way to quickly fix this if you miss, land your foot on the ball and instantly spring back up in a knee attack. It is quicker than moving your feet back together and since you are attacking you dont have to worry so much about someone rushing you. You have less balance in this kick but you are trading that balance for speed and power. Although it is a difficult kick to learn it is a valuable weapon to a TKD artist as well as most of the Muay Thai I have came across. As far as Kime goes from what I am getting from the descriptions given it seems to be related to springing but not quite it. To me it seems that kime is more used for affecting the momentum and balance of your opponent and this is not often achieved by striking methods. This would be an effective way to teach grappling and trapping/throwing I think.

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#118782 - 04/01/03 04:26 PM Re: Force
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Thank you for sharing Re: Springing front kick (Chen Zen) As far as "Kime" I thought it means point of focus, I may be confused with the term. As far as Kime, as you mentioned, appears to be the specialty of Tai Chi, as it relates to the application of the postures.

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#118783 - 04/01/03 05:55 PM Re: Force
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I would be interested in finding out more on "kime" just to have a clear understanding of it so I may correctly see how it is applid in the great scheme of things.

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#118784 - 04/01/03 06:27 PM Re: Force
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You're right scholar. Kime/FOcus & power.PS Sorry for the mistake, I've had alot on my mind lately. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/frown.gif[/IMG]

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