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#118766 - 03/22/03 10:03 PM Re: Force
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In some of the kicks of TKD you tend to curve your back, this is for balance, in Karate your back is straight because to get good torque on the curved attack you must be able to twist the hips quickly. If your back is straight then you can twist much better.

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#118767 - 03/22/03 10:05 PM Re: Force
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The reason you get more force is the momentum from bending your spine in while the attack comes up. When holding your back straight such as in karate, you become tense and rigid and this slows you down reducing speed and power.

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#118768 - 03/23/03 04:40 AM Re: Force
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First Chen, the spine IS bent [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG] !

Secondly, in the Karate have have taken, upright does not equal tense.

On the other hand, Joe Hall, student of Ark Won Yuey talks about the three bends. I just never saw the back as being on of them.

I read what you are saying, but still don't get the concept. You guys need to paint a better mental picture of the physical technique for me because I'm not seeing it from what you've written so far. Think of it as a writing experiment. Can you compare it to something else? Come on guys, it's your turn to turn on my lightbulb, dim as that may be...

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#118769 - 03/23/03 07:27 AM Re: Force
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When a cat hunches his back then uses it to pounce like a coiled spring. In Jee Kune Do, the ready stance per Bruce Lee "like a cat ready to pounce"

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#118770 - 03/23/03 09:48 AM Re: Force
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This thread is going all "Twilight Zone".

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#118771 - 03/23/03 11:31 AM Re: Force
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Hoe about more focused on Karate as down to earth, when we turn the hips to power the punch, consider the way to do that and then whip it back in the opposite direction for a different type of force...have you tried that?

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#118772 - 03/23/03 08:38 PM Re: Force
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I know Tae!! What I was referring to is the way your back bends forward like in the ax kick. Or in the Muay Thai springing front kick. Or when you knee someone. See? I have studied a little Wing Chun and there backs are straight and it seems to be tense to me.

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#118773 - 03/23/03 08:39 PM Re: Force
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Also Judderman, Why the respect? It has raised my curiosity as to why you would open a post reffering to me? Just wondering and also a great question by the way! Chen Zen

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#118774 - 03/24/03 04:49 AM Re: Force
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Okay scholar, the cat example works for me. That was good. I'm getting an idea. The cat kinda contracts himself which is what I do in sparring. Try to be smaller, and smaller, and smaller, then WHAM, bigger!

Chen, if I bend by spine on the axe kick my head will go down and I'll give myself yet another black eye [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG] ...

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#118775 - 03/25/03 08:35 PM Re: Force
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I dont have that problem since my legs are longer than my trunk [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG] Also the reason to bend like this is to lower your center of gravity and to be able to spring out with your attack as to conceal just how far a reach you do have before it explodes out.

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