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#118688 - 02/19/03 07:51 PM forget sport:mad:
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i detest sport of any martial arts. its total disrespect to the system, to the masters who created them, and to every real fighter. even the full contact competitions are weak. sport is for children. all i ever hear is "i do it for sport" or "i placed in so and so's competition" who care's? when you do finally get in a real situation your attacker isnt going to care that you scored a point by ALMOST hitting him. get a clue. its blasphemy. how dare you mock the arts with your petty competitions. drop the gloves the judges and the point fighting and be a REAL fighter a REAL athlete.

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#118689 - 02/19/03 10:31 PM Re: forget sport:mad:
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UFC, K1, Kyokushin nationals..I wouldn't call them weak...but still not the same a real life altercation.

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#118690 - 02/20/03 05:14 AM Re: forget sport:mad:
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I met most my current teachers at tournaments.

Did you lose a match you should have won?

It's a social gathering too!

In the Asian Journal of Martial Arts there is a great article buried some years back about an archery master who still competes at every meet and why. You should look it up. Great read!

(PS - I'll bet some great master was the first to hold a tournament [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG] !)

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#118691 - 02/20/03 04:26 PM Re: forget sport:mad:
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Chen zen: "Blasphemy"? "How dare you"? a "Real fighter/athlete"? Dude, chill out. Maybe you should give this verbal tongue lashing to the point fighter who made you mad. Besides, who are you to tell someone what their martial arts should be like? Of course point fighting isn't combat. It's a war game, like Risk, or chess, or paintball. Does this mean that only people who play "paintball" with real guns are cool? No, BECAUSE IT"S A GAME. A learning tool. Sure, misplaced pride in point fighting is annoying. So what?

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#118692 - 02/20/03 06:07 PM Re: forget sport:mad:
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the point is this one you have something called muscle memory. if you train in tournaments and you train yourself to stop a blow an inch from an attackers body then that is what is going to happen in a real situation. also i dont mean to attack anyone's style but if you teach martial arts for sport you need to make it known that its for sport and will not save your life. all these people train and think well i won this or that tournament so i can defend myself when that simply isn't true. bill "superfoot" wallace talked about going from tournament and point fighting to full contact with kick boxers. him and guys just like him lost all the time cuz the couldnt take a hit and had never hit someone and had them keep coming. this is my point. sport is putting people in danger and they dont even know it.

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#118693 - 02/20/03 06:11 PM Re: forget sport:mad:
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Tae no i didnt lose a fight i should have won. and i think the social aspect of it is good. but its not real martial arts to me. i didnt spend 15 years training to fight for my school or my teacher i trained so that if i had to i could protect the ones i love. sport doesnt teach you that. also i dont look at ufc or pride or k1 as sport so much because there is contact. but to teach sport and to say this will save your life is wrong

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#118694 - 02/21/03 03:39 AM Re: forget sport:mad:
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I am going to post a thread this morning in the martial arts discussion forum that I would like you to read. I originally had JKogas and IK in mind, but I think you will be able to appreciate what is being said in the article I will reference.

Another article in this quarter's Journal of Asian Martial Arts discusses the Science and training behind elite TKD athletes. Even the most brutish of bulls would be wise to exercise some cranial ability if they wanted to survive in this hellish world which you seem to be so proud of being a part of...

One does wonder what your training will be like at 40 and if your body will share the injuries and conditions of other pro athletes and will you have the acumen of Ali at the end of the day?

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#118695 - 02/21/03 10:21 AM Re: forget sport:mad:
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Tae i read the article and posted a new thred as well. To jamoni first of to me martial arts and self defense isnt a game. Anyone who thinks it is is a damn fool. I dont attack people styles but I will tell you "Who I am to say what martial arts should be like" Im a fighter a martial artist.It is my life. People just like me created the arts improved the arts. Im a person. Look at the works of Bruce Lee. Everyone questioned his thoughts and methods as well. He was later said to be the greatest martial artist ever. Not to mention his revolutionary style and ideas that he spawned. I am ideas. I am creativity. I am HUMAN.

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#118696 - 02/21/03 05:29 PM Re: forget sport:mad:
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Chen Zen, my question was "who are you to tell someone what THEIR MARTIAL ARTS should be like." My point is that MA means different things to different people. I disagree that TKD is useless for self defense. I DO agree that there are MANY bad TKD schools.
As far as games, GO is a game. Chess is a game. They are fun, stimulating, and CAN BE USED TO TEACH SOME ASPECTS OF STRATEGY.

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#118697 - 02/23/03 10:07 AM Re: forget sport:mad:
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Jamoni, I have never said TKD is bad for combat. I practice in TKD Im just saying dont go to a school that practices primarily in sport. Go to a good school like I did. Sport will not defend you. That was my point.

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