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#118673 - 02/19/03 07:36 PM isshinryu kid
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so you ever going to reply? dont worry about it just thought maybe you could answer my questions. by the way dont call me chenny. its not very respectful of you.

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#118674 - 02/19/03 10:45 PM Re: isshinryu kid
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Chen Zen:
so you ever going to reply? dont worry about it just thought maybe you could answer my questions. by the way dont call me chenny. its not very respectful of you. [/QUOTE]Ok, Chen zen lets talk about self defense.

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#118675 - 02/20/03 05:18 AM Re: isshinryu kid
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Then be patient and when the opportunity arises, ask the question again in a different format. The Bull in the China Closet thing rarely works.

I sentence both of you to opposite corners of the sand box...

Not that corner IK! That's the one my cat uses!
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#118676 - 02/20/03 11:04 AM Re: isshinryu kid
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by taebot:
Then be patient and when the opportunity arises, ask the question again in a different format. The Bull in the China Closet thing rarely works.

I sentence both of you to opposite corners of the sand box...

Not that corner IK! That's the one my cat uses!
[IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]
[/QUOTE]I Have to use the bathroom some where. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

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#118677 - 02/20/03 06:02 PM Re: isshinryu kid
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ishinnryu kid i think that you have a closed mind about the high kicks. you need to understand while they may not be the best techniques to use everytime they do have a place in self defense and they do work i know because i have used them and they have literally saved my life. low kicks generally just piss people off. no one has ever been knocked out by a kick to the shin or groin and i fear for your safety cuz one day they could get you seriosly injured

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#118678 - 02/21/03 03:32 AM Re: isshinryu kid
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We all have closed minds to something. The wonderful thing about discussion is the ability to open closed minds. The drawback, not unlike the rock and water parable is that it can be such a maddeningly slow process...

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#118679 - 02/21/03 10:25 PM Re: isshinryu kid
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by taebot:
We all have closed minds to something. The wonderful thing about discussion is the ability to open closed minds. The drawback, not unlike the rock and water parable is that it can be such a maddeningly slow process...[/QUOTE]
Chen zen,If you think its better to defend yourself with high kicks,Then by all means do high kicks.JUst,As I believe it's best for me to do low kicks. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG] PS Chen zen, Lets not make this a heated arguement,Lets just agree to disagree.

[This message has been edited by isshinryu kid (edited 02-22-2003).]

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#118680 - 02/22/03 12:09 AM Re: isshinryu kid
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This is not a question of style, but background and prejudice. As an Okinawan Karate-ka, we don't kick high, to long and to easy to pick off. As a Jujutsu-ist, we love the hight kicks because they are easier to handle. So I have to agree with "Isshin" on this regard. Practice high, apply low, is the principle we use. You don't need to knock someone out when you kick them. lower kicks are generally quicker, so they can be powerful too. A good kick to the inside of an attackers inner chin and he will present his face to you, which leaves him open.
I will not deny that high kicks can be used, but from my view, it takes longer to kick to the head than leg, closest weapon to the closest target. Also, the longer you are on 1 leg, the more off balance you are for counters.
If you are good enough and practice high kicks go for it, but just remember, if you have been training with people within the same style, you may not see what others are seeing. Its always good to get anothers perspective.
Just a note, I saw a Karate student and a Jujutsu student arguing at a seminar, which led to the disagreement about high kicks. The Karate-ka didn't know what the BJJ had, so when he bet he could knock out the Jujutsu-ist with a kick and they went to the center mat. As the Karate-KA kicked the Jujutsu-ist 'speared' his planted knee. It was not pretty, all sorts of knee damage, and ligament damage. The Karate guy was out for a year I was told, and now he can't kick high. Both were Brown Belts, and neither had great control as you can tell, both trying to show who is best. They both lost, as the Jujutsu-ist didn't prove his point as everybody felt what he did was unjust. Sharing information, is so much more important, than trying toprove your point. If you want to kick high by all means do so, but understand we are not criticising your style but how we view kicking

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#118681 - 02/22/03 03:51 AM Re: isshinryu kid
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As a good 'merican growing up in the early 60's I was taught only sissies kick...

So I'm a sissy!

I'm a BIG sissy! A VERY BIG sissy!

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#118682 - 02/23/03 10:02 AM Re: isshinryu kid
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I by no means ment to criticize anyone's style and I fully understand the merit of low kicks. Im just saying dont limit yourself to just these. I also want to say to Isshin that the heated argument is where the answers seem to be. I think you're ok Isshin just misguided about high kicks thats all. Hey Tae Im a very big sissy too apparently. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG]

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#118683 - 06/17/03 09:29 AM Re: isshinryu kid
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a strong book recommendation for isshin kid

"Zen in the Martial Arts," especially the 'empty your cup' chapter...

-LK

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#118684 - 06/17/03 02:06 PM Re: isshinryu kid
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The isshinryu kid,& The karate Dude are one in the same. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif[/IMG]

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#118685 - 06/17/03 04:44 PM Re: isshinryu kid
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Karate Dude:
The isshinryu kid,& The karate Dude are one in the same. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Ah, i was wondering where isshinryu kid went.

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#118686 - 06/29/03 06:53 PM Re: isshinryu kid
Ender Offline
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labratbiomajor...

In compelte agreement, that book is ecellent. I thoroughly enjoyed the chapter you stated, as well as the "Lengthen your line" chapter, as well as the chapters on "kime" and "mushin".

Any other books youve read and enjoyed? I have some you might like to find and read.

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#118687 - 07/04/03 04:38 AM Re: isshinryu kid
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noone ever got knocked out from a low kick....i disagree...i have seen kyusho instructors knock people out by kicking them in the legs.
and even if they dont do that...noone ever fought back after having their knee shattered into a thousand shards either [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

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