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#118394 - 01/15/03 03:23 AM Re: Why Does tkd have high kicks?
WrAiTh21 Offline
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Ok, so some may view high kicks as useless in a street fight. But just because the technique isn't useful for self defence, doesn't mean it shouldn't be in the art. Take meditation, breaking or patterns for instance. Should we eliminate these because they are not useful against an attacker on the street?

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#118395 - 01/15/03 06:30 AM Re: Why Does tkd have high kicks?
isshinryu kid Offline
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by WrAiTh21:
Ok, so some may view high kicks as useless in a street fight. But just because the technique isn't useful for self defence, doesn't mean it shouldn't be in the art. Take meditation, breaking or patterns for instance. Should we eliminate these because they are not useful against an attacker on the street?[/QUOTE]High KIcks Are not only useless, they'er not practical.But u said it urslf,The technique is'nt useful.& If it's not useful, why use it? & kata It Teaches the body how to move/muscelmemory.But the bunkai/applications of a kata are useful & can be used on the street.& As for breaking Iam all for it.But I think meditation gets in the way of learning slfdfence PS No Insult was intended [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG]

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#118396 - 01/15/03 09:37 AM Re: Why Does tkd have high kicks?
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I was trained in the USMC to shoot a target at 500 meters which is nice, but not practical in a self-defense situation. But, it made me a better over-all soldier.

When I sport fight, I like to play games using combinations such as high/low, front/back, foot/hand, and the ability to put your foot upside someone's ear keeps them honest and sets up the reverse punch, which is my bread and butter...

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#118397 - 01/15/03 09:40 AM Re: Why Does tkd have high kicks?
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As the doorman at a nightclub, I used the Full-Nelson of my high school wrestling days and the right cross as popularized by John Wayne.

Hence I could postulate that ALL martial arts are a complete waste of time in a self-defense situation.

I mean, other than the calm, the strength, distancing, footwork, etc. High kicking could NEVER help with any of those skills, now could it?

[IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

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#118398 - 01/16/03 06:30 AM Re: Why Does tkd have high kicks?
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I just read you comments on too many kicks
Isshinryu.

I was at the dojo of one my weapons instructors. Before weapons was sparring, which, I like a lot more than weapons, so I was there.

Well sensei gives me one of his eager "good" fighters. The lad was very enthusiastic. Straight line, no kicks, just begin your attack and stick with it (a dangerous combination). I always tell students, rarely do you ever do something twice and never do you do it three times successively.

So, on the lad's third attack, I timed his bull rush and fired a jump-spin crescent kick (as we call it). When the young man was assisted to his feet, he naturally wanted to know what I had just clocked him with.

Eyes wide in admeiration he said, "I've never seen that before!"

"Son, you STILL haven't SEEN it!"

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That's another part of the answer.

IT'S JUST PLAIN FUN!

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#118399 - 01/16/03 07:19 AM Re: Why Does tkd have high kicks?
isshinryu kid Offline
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[QUOTE]So u fight someone who was,nt as good as u.That,s realy something to be proud of,But u wld,nt be able to do that kick in a real fight.So lets be realistic,MOst fights wether they,er on the street, or in a bar/pub Will be to close for u to do a spining back kick.& There,s a difference between sparring & slfdefence.Sparring is sport,& would,nt work on the street.But a kick to the knee, will even take down, the biggest of men. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

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#118400 - 01/16/03 08:58 PM Re: Why Does tkd have high kicks?
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Hence I could postulate that ALL martial arts are a complete waste of time in a self-defense situation.


Are you INSANE? Martial arts are a complete waste of time in a self-defense situation?? Fight a shaolin monk sometime, i guarantee you that your full nelson or right cross wouldn't do jack. You wouldn't get close enough to use them. DO you honestly think ALL martial arts are USELESS in self defense?? come on now...

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#118401 - 01/17/03 07:01 AM Re: Why Does tkd have high kicks?
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IK - I've done it in competition too [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG] !

If I conceed that you deflected that point, do I get the others? [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

As to "Am I insane," we'll let time tell [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG] !

No Mike, they are most useful in distancing, calmness, and other matters great and small. I was pointing out fallacious logic.

Having been to China, let me say that most Shaolin rise to the level of my sternum, most weigh what my leg weighs, and having trained with Malaysians of no slack martial ability, by their own admission, size does matter [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG] !

But me and a Shaolin Monk would never have a conflict because of our greatly similar natures and outlook towards our brethern.

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#118402 - 01/17/03 10:01 AM Re: Why Does tkd have high kicks?
Cato Offline
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Mr. Taebot, You must be the most accomplished martial artist on the planet to be able to say that ALL martial arts are ineffective in self defence. But then if your merely postulating it becomes little more than your opinion, doesn't it? Well, there is a saying that goes opinions are a bit like arseholes - everybody has one. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

Did you ever consider the possibility that the art might be okay for self defence, but the artist wasn't capable of using it properly?

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#118403 - 01/17/03 12:07 PM Re: Why Does tkd have high kicks?
isshinryu kid Offline
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by mikelw:


Hence I could postulate that ALL martial arts are a complete waste of time in a self-defense situation.


Are you INSANE? Martial arts are a complete waste of time in a self-defense situation?? Fight a shaolin monk sometime, i guarantee you that your full nelson or right cross wouldn't do jack. You wouldn't get close enough to use them. DO you honestly think ALL martial arts are USELESS in self defense?? come on now...
[/QUOTE]Hi Mikey, [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG] I Gather that u hav,nt learned any slfdefence techniques.Cuz ur to buzy play fighting in the ring. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]So if u ever get mugged, u only hav urslf to blame. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG] Oh BTY, This mcdojo attitude, of urs wont help u on the street. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG] PSThese So called shoulin monks,Are paid by the goverment.As They teach wushu,Not Shoulin kungfu.In Other words, they'er not realy shoulin monks,It's all just 4 show. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]


[This message has been edited by isshinryu kid (edited 01-17-2003).]

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