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#118363 - 05/19/03 08:05 AM Re: How useful?
tong po Offline
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Registered: 05/18/03
Posts: 14
Loc: ohio
[QUOTE]Originally posted by judderman:


[/QUOTE]I Disagree with the bunkai kid 100%.First of all if ya kick high in a street fight is a no no,You shld keep your kicks low as you want to disable your foe.& with all that kicking going,You havto wonder if tkd has any hand tecniques. :P


[This message has been edited by isshinryu kid (edited 01-04-2003).][/QUOTE]


I agree with isshin about the high kicks. However, I train from time to time with a TKD teacher. Trust me, there are enough punches, locks/holds, throws, take downs and strikes in TKD to keep you amused in a fight.

As far as street fighting is concerned, many "traditional" styles will give you not a lot more than a second or two faster reaction than the average joe bloggs on the street.

Budo.[/QUOTE]

a few seconds is all that you need, you could land 3 mor punches or a few more kicks, in a combat situation, seconds count.

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#118364 - 05/22/03 12:03 PM Re: How useful?
immrtldragon Offline
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Registered: 05/22/03
Posts: 1540
Loc: Just outside Philadelphia, PA
I keep hearing all this talk about "it's a sport" and "I would not use a sport to defend myself." It's a sport with rules when you compete, not if you fight. Firstly, any (fighting) knowledge is better than no knowledge. Secondly, many sports are combat effective (including Judo and Tkd). Don't believe me...go pick a fight with a trained boxer (also a sport).

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#118365 - 05/22/03 12:25 PM Re: How useful?
UKfightfreak Offline
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Registered: 01/08/03
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Loc: San Francisco
It also depends on the contact,

Judo is great because it is full contact by design.

TKD - depends on your style but the full contact nature of it can be adapted to the street.

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#118366 - 05/24/03 01:07 AM Re: How useful?
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In reply to cato,"judo and karate are effective martial arts if practiced that way."
Judo is a sport, always was a sport.Kano took jujitsu movements and modified them so they were "safe" to practice and use in competition.

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#118367 - 05/24/03 04:44 AM Re: How useful?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by nekogami13:
In reply to cato,"judo and karate are effective martial arts if practiced that way."
Judo is a sport, always was a sport.Kano took jujitsu movements and modified them so they were "safe" to practice and use in competition.
[/QUOTE]

Judo was designed to be a sport but as all the techniques are practiced full contact it is excellent for the street, but it needs to be adapted, as with all Martial Arts.

I would say to anyone that if you want to learn good street defence a good start is Judo and boxing. (BJJ is probably better but hey - there is a Judo club in every town in the UK!).

I think JKogas has probably got it right with training BJJ and boxing, and thinking about BJJ, Rick Young actually said that a lot of the BJJ techniques are the same as Judo techniques but the way of learning and emphasis on ground work is just different.

Food for thought but think about the application of your art rather than the art itself.

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#118368 - 05/25/03 02:28 AM Re: How useful?
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Never meant to imply judo was not valuable as a means of self defense. Just pointing out it originated as a sport.
Judo seems similar to brazilian jujitsu because judo is derived from jujitsu. Goal of judo is to throw opponent flat on back and score points. Goal of jujitsu(not tournament or sport)is to cripple opponent by breaking limbs.Brazilian jujitsu emphasis is on ground fighting using jujitsu techniques.

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#118369 - 05/26/03 08:39 AM Re: How useful?
Corruptor Offline
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I would say that TKD could be very usefull in a fight but it would depend on the skill of the person using there TKD skills. To comment on the subject on weather high kicks are good in a streetfight. Well I done a self defense course through my TKD and the teacher was a 2nd Dan in TKD and Bri Thi, he had also studied Kickboxing, Kung Fu, Kali, Hipkido, Jijitsu and other martial arts. His opinion was that high kicks will not work in streetfights unless you are very good with your kicks, but even this instructor who was great with his feet said that he would prefer to use punches, knees, locks or any other type of defense and offense. My personal opinion is that unless you are good ie. fast and powerfull with your feet then I would not use high kicks.

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#118370 - 06/15/03 12:58 AM Re: How useful?
mrhubbs Offline
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Registered: 06/15/03
Posts: 418
Loc: Carmel, NY 10512
Hey Everyone,

I just found this site and was really pleased with the number of interesting discussions going on. As a traditional japanese stylist, I wanted to share my limited experience with TKD.

I had the opportunity to crosstrain very briefly with John Park, son of Olympic coach D.K. Park. Like many people outside of the art, I, too, had my reservations about TKD and its effectiveness. I had simply attended too many point tournaments where weak, slapping front leg roundhouse kicks won the day. These were thrown mostly by korean stylists (although everyone seems to be adopting these scoring techniques nowadays). I was, however, very impressed with Park and his WTF training techniques.

First of all, the conditioning exercises we did were amazing and included a number of plyometric, speed, and timing drills. The kicking combinations and the strategy of setting up the kicks were equally cool. (At the advanced level, leg techniques becomes like a science.) While these things were all geared towards Olympic competition, I think that the qualities they were meant to develop (agility, explosiveness) are equally valuable on the street. In addition, the focus on "trembling shock" meant that techniques were delivered with full power and delivered to a variety of target areas. The students I worked with were very much used to landing techniques with force. I must say that I feel like a better kicker for having worked with Mr. Park.

Do I still question some of the practices associated with "Tae Kwon Do"? Yes. Would I ever practice TKD as my root style? Probably not. I am simply not built to kick with the same finesse as the average TKD stylist. Are there Tae Kwon Do stylists who I would want by my side in a street confrontation. Yup.

I think the point has already been made that much of a style's effectiveness is in the emphasis of the instruction and in the makeup of the practitioner him/herself. I just wanted to take a moment to acknowledge a positive experience with the art.

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#118371 - 06/15/03 11:41 AM Re: How useful?
kempo_jujitsu Offline
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Registered: 06/15/03
Posts: 1914
Loc: illinois, usa
if you can find a taekwondo school maybe it would be ok...by that i mean not a sport school as 99% of them are these days.
i studied tkd for a year, beat the crap out of my instructor and another 2nd dan at the same time once (not literally!)...he used to make me teach them jujutsu techniques cuz they actually worked.
basically my take on taekwondo for a streetfight...the way its taught...completely useless. if a somewhat experienced practitioner of another art studied tkd..it might be better.
we learned a form..got a belt...learned a form, got a belt, learned a form, broke a board, got a belt..etc ..never any applications of the forms or anything. the self defense techniques the did teach would get you killed on the street. im not a tkd fan at all lol...i competed at the regional championships once for sparring..and i whiped the floor with the guy who won (i placed 3rd)...whats up with that...if you lose you lose lol oh thats right he got more POINTS than i did [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]
i found most of the fighters i fought predictable..its tkd they will try to kick me in the head..spin and kick me in the head, or jump spin and kick me in the head...all of which are easily defended against. and the rules...cant punch to the head????????????????????????????????????
cant kick the back?????????????
nah, ill stick to a combative art.
and i think that most of the reason i beat them easily is because of my previous experience...i realized that you dont have to throw that kick at head level every time (infact its quite stupid to do so)..you dont have to chamber your fist in an actual fight (some of them actually did this!!!)...so basically i think todays taekwondo is bs. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]
not that it couldnt be reformed into a better fighting system.

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