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#118248 - 04/25/01 10:16 PM Jumping Spinning Kicks
Brewer Offline
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Registered: 01/15/01
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Loc: Arizona,U.S.
You've seen the beautiful jumping spinning kicks of TaeKwonDo. You've seen the damage the kicks can do.These kicks are devastating,not only to the bricks and boards but to the practitioner as well.Have you seen what happens to someones leg when they don't come down right and land wrong.The ligament and tendon damage that is done is so bad that some of those who were unlucky enough to land wrong are permanently damaged for life.Like I've said before I love all the Arts and am not coming down on any style.It's the training process that one has to watch out for when doing these types of kicks.After you have figured out how you are going to do the third arial break before coming back down,(don't stop there)make sure that you have figured out exactly how you are going to land.Don't cut yourself short on the landing.Any takers?

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#118249 - 08/16/01 09:33 PM Re: Jumping Spinning Kicks
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Registered: 06/25/01
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Loc: Goldsboro, NC, USA
I saw someone break their leg during the olympics I think. It was gruesome. Landing correctly is of course preferential but it may be better to try to turn bad landings into a breakfall if possible. Just a thought.

Hachiman

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#118250 - 01/19/03 06:47 PM Re: Jumping Spinning Kicks
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I think good was to avoid this is to try and land on both feet at the same time or as close to the same time as possible.

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#118251 - 01/22/03 04:18 AM Re: Jumping Spinning Kicks
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I think those willing to push the envelope are willing to accept injuries. I think about that every time I see young people skateboarding, which is a stunt sport, bike riding, motocross, or any extreme sport, name one...

[Let's not mention my High School sports injuries and Pee Wee baseball, OW!]

This past weekend a Judo/Jujitsu player of long ago was complaining about torn this and that from the past and how he wanted to set the world on fire as a middle-aged Judoka, but learned it was a youth-oriented sport.

That's how I see TKD and some of it's techniques. I teach them to the young, but for adults the TKD I teach is much more mature, more karate-like. The kids want Chinese Opera, wushu, TKD, to dream, to push, to dare to excel...

[This message has been edited by taebot (edited 01-22-2003).]

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#118252 - 02/19/03 04:50 PM Re: Jumping Spinning Kicks
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i dont believe in jump kicks so much. there is too much committment. once your in the air that is it you are committed. but if you can get it to work for you and have a good opening then the effectiveness is undeniable but i think for the most part, stay on the ground.

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#118253 - 02/19/03 05:32 PM Re: Jumping Spinning Kicks
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Pretty? Hell yes!
Combat effective? Hell NO!
If you can jump up, spin around, throw out your leg, and your opponent hasn't jammed you or sidestepped, or just clocked you in the head or kidneys, you have no business pummeling this poor sucker. NEVER turn your back.
As far as injuries, I'd like to see a martial art that teaches age appropriate techniques. Young kids get basic wrestling, older kids and teens get striking training, twenty's guys get in depth grappling and weapons, us 30's guys get more finesse based stuff, and the older guys work into energy/meditation work. Why SHOULDN"T the art grow with the artist?

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#118254 - 02/20/03 05:00 AM Re: Jumping Spinning Kicks
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Jump-spin (I prefer the term jump turn so the student makes a tight, quick, move, not a spin which tosses away power as angular momentum) side-kick is absolutely devastating to the Bull-Rush type of fighters and I have clocked many people with it in competition (as well as photos of me knocking people out with jump-turn crescent kick).

I've never used them in self-defense.

I tend to use a good, old-fashioned, John Wayne to the jaw. I've had great success, especially after Sensei clipped me on a certain spot a few times as he gently [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif[/IMG] taught me the art of pressure points...

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#118255 - 02/20/03 04:19 PM Re: Jumping Spinning Kicks
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The only scenario I think justifies a spinning kick is if you are just plain off balance, and spinning around anyway. May as well turn it into a kick. But jumping? why?

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#118256 - 02/21/03 03:30 AM Re: Jumping Spinning Kicks
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I would hesitate to wonder how one got so off balance and spinning in the first place.

Torque, speed, mass, in short power, a finishing technique.

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#118257 - 02/21/03 05:34 PM Re: Jumping Spinning Kicks
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by taebot:
I would hesitate to wonder how one got so off balance and spinning in the first place.
Torque, speed, mass, in short power, a finishing technique.
[/QUOTE]
That's why I don't THROW spinning kicks. I was just trying to think of SOME legitimate use, where a faster simpler alternative didn't exist.


Power, yes, speed, in terms of velocity, yes, but not in terms of TIME. In the time it takes to throw one spinning kick, you could probably get off a jab/cross/uppercut combo. Plenty of "finishing" power there.


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