For those interested in how BJJ developed from judo, I recommend Mastering Jujutsu by Renzo Gracie and John Danaher.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned on this thread thus far is the fact that Mitsuyo Maeda (the fellow who brought judo/jujutsu to Brazil) also cross-trained and competed in English catch-as-catch-can (CACC)wrestling tournaments. CACC wrestling had both English (Lancashire) and American incarnations. As Danaher pointed out in Mastering Jujutsu, there's even a famous old photo of Maeda in wrestling tights, performing a standard CACC control technique--a hammerlock/half-Nelson combo. The pic can be seen here:

http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/5389/maeda2.gif

There was a great deal of exchange in the late 1800s/early 1900s between Western wrestlers and Japanese judoka/jujutsuka. For example, the sub we now refer to as the heelhook entered the CACC syllabus as the "Japanese leglock", via early judo (before leglocks were banned, obviously).

A_M_P

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Shotokan:
Right now my heart is set on Sambo, but I am still open to new information.[/QUOTE]

Sambo has nice high-amplitude throws and is also of course famous for its leglocks, but AFAIK it does not make use of the guard. This obviously makes it considerably different from BJJ and judo.

A_M_P



[This message has been edited by Armed_Man_Piker (edited 09-26-2004).]

Judo is allways a traditional art. Bjj will throw stuff out and bring stuff is as the times change. They don't practice anything because it's a tradition. In judo one of the first things you learn is,"here is the first form. You will NEVER use it." Check out a book on Jigoro Kano and also "The gracie way".