I truly enjoy training in judo. I do this at least one day a week. It allows me to mend up a bit from training in jujutsu. the judo traing though tough, is gentler and not so painfull. At the same time the sensitivity Ive gained from judo has greatly impoved my abillity as a jujutsu fighter. IM currently training judo with two judoka that have their rokyu dan, so they are very skilled and they have certainly tuaght me much in the last several years. Yep Judo is great!!!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by immrtldragon:
<takes deep breath>
That feels better. I was just saying that the foul tactics can't be relied on and was trying to show why I think that. If it came off as a tyraid (sp) I apologize.[/QUOTE]

No doubt about "foul tactics" IM. I personally wouldn't want to bet my life on an eye poke. I'd definitely prefer to rely on serious, realistic practice and repitition any day of the week. Experience is the toughest teacher but leaves the most impressionable lessons. Thanks for the input though because it broadens my knowledge.

-VJ

I do however feel that such "foul" tactics can create openings. I just wanted it to be known that I'm not against such tactics. I just prefer to base my skill on more "legitimate" techniques if you will.


-John

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JKogas:
VJ -- it would greatly help you to take your blinders off regarding the whole sport/street thing. Why take it as a black and white issue?

If there is NO sportive qualities within your training, you're not going to be able to apply what it is that you're training!

-John[/QUOTE]

No blinders on John. Sport judo shouldn't be considered necessarily street effective is the real point. It has to be modified to be effective on the streets for survival. Streetfights are totally different from randori.

Everyting has to be modified to some extent. Because of the way it is practiced, Judo just takes less modification. If you think you practice the way people 'street fight,' you better have a great insurance plan.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by immrtldragon:
Everyting has to be modified to some extent. Because of the way it is practiced, Judo just takes less modification. If you think you practice the way people 'street fight,' you better have a great insurance plan.[/QUOTE]

immrtldragon - no actually I don't believe you can practice the way people street fight. However I have been to a reality combat course and spoken with a few police officers. Streetfighting is the wildest, spontaneous combat a person will ever be unfortunate to experience. However to go out there with traditional fighting styles may be taking a knife to a gun fight. Just my opinion.

I disagree. Most 'street fighters' can't fight to save their lives. They have the agression and, um, uh, that's it. True story. This guy that lives in my neighborhood is considered one of the toughest guys in the area. He is in his 20's and has been in lots of fights over the years. I've seen many of them. He has been the winner more than the loser. About a year ago he was hanging out with mutual friends of mine and his and he wanted to mess with me. O Soto Gari to straight armbar in about a second and I was left wondering how he ever won a fight in his life. It's a true story and the guy even goes to the boxing club with me now. He's not a bad guy, just has a temper. Believe it, I've seen him beat some arse.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JapanJudo:
Judo is both: A Sport and a Combat Martial Art that implement applying maximum effort against the weakest link. It is up to you to learn Combat Judo and the teacher who is willing to teach you it. Another martial art that is both is SAMBO.
Mikey, one of the first things that I have learned in Judo is to protect my nuts and eyes. In fact, I wore a cup for a while after I saw a guy get hit in the crutch when his opponent executed uchimata. I had my eyes and eyelids scratched many times. There are many chokes and neck cranks in Judo that you can do without the gi. I think that mixing in punches and kicks will help and I agree that people are ignorant towards judo. Many don’t even know what judo is all about! Guys and Gals you can use Judo in Combat and you can do just fine. You can use Judo not only for self defense but to be the aggressor. Though, you’d have to be a good judo player just like with anything else. It’s important for you to understand that when practicing judo you are fighting at about 75-90% power on every day basis. Another thing I’d like to educate you on in Judo is that there is Kata in Judo. If you are a member of USJI and/or USJF you will not advance during the promotional competitions, when competing for the Black Belt or higher, if you don’t do Kata!
Those who are interested to learn or try Japanese Judo and practice with National and International Champions, please visit Japan Judo dojo in Brooklyn, New York. Our telephone number is 718-331-6406. Ask for Kiyoshi Shiina. We welcome those who seek enlightenment.[/QUOTE]

I completely agree.Very informative and high regards to your education.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JapanJudo:
I think that mixing in punches and kicks will help. It’s important for you to understand that when practicing judo you are fighting at about 75-90% power on every day basis. [/QUOTE]

Thanks for bringing up a good point. Striking is something that most judo players seem to do poorly. Watching Christophe Leninger at two UFC events is an example. A great judo player but all his opponents commented on the weak strikes. However he was not a small person.
Judo players do have the luxury of being able to use much more of their power than players in the striking arts even in sparring. Imagine if one person hit another with 90 percent of their power in every day sparring. A whole lot of fights would be started in the dojo.

Of course Judo players who are strictly Judo will be poor punchers. Silva said Yoshida hit harder, possibly hardest of all his opponents. Big compliment, but if you watch the fight, they were still not good punches. They were hard, but not accurate and very wild. You have to train punching to be a good puncher.