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#117053 - 12/12/03 07:21 AM Re: Why does Judo get a bad rep?
Big Bear Offline
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Registered: 07/15/03
Posts: 1068
Loc: Northern Ireland
Hi all, i'm new to this section of the forum.

In my jkd class the other nite we worked on a drill that i think would make a believer out of anyone of the usefullness of judo.

Get a sparring partner to throw on some boxing gloves, and all you wear is a gumshield (and headgear depending on how hard you want to go at it).

Right the drill is,

bloke with gloves throws the punches at you, you are trying to defend yourself (covering up, elbow destruction etc).

What you are trying to do, is to shoot in and take the person to the ground. The "gloves" can jab you away or sprawl out of reach.

Once you do this for 3 minutes, then you take the gloves and reverse roles.


Now you are going to get hit on your way in, that is a certainty, you will have to work on your explosive speed and covering up etc to compensate.

I managed this well enuf with some of the guys (my instructor had a field day with me, but i did manage to get him on one occassion [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG]-prob gave me it out of sympathy though and my judo skills are crap-(i've done about 6 months total of jujitsu).
What i'm saying is that, anyone skilled in judo should aim for this position, and try to take the opponent down. That street vs sport is nonsense that people make up to make them feel better (and harder) about their fighting limitations against a skilled opponent.

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#117054 - 12/12/03 07:29 AM Re: Why does Judo get a bad rep?
JohnL Offline
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Registered: 03/24/03
Posts: 4309
Loc: NY, NY, USA
Hi JKogas:

Judo guys are actually among the most dangerous of martial artists. The reason is because judo is an alive art.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you, but;

If you use the term, "Alive" one more time, I will employ the 7 ninja of the apocalypse to track you down and torture you for eternity.

Find another expression, preferably one of your own, use your imagination.

NO MORE "ALIVE"
[IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG]

JohnL

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#117055 - 12/21/03 07:46 AM Re: Why does Judo get a bad rep?
JKogas Offline
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Registered: 01/25/03
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Here we go again JohnL.

The word alive has a definition as it relates to martial arts training. It's more than just an adjective.

Saying the word "alive" is far easier than saying; "having the qualities of timing, motion and energy (resistance)" EVERY damned time I post something, lol.

I understand that it might get old, but it's also extremely important when speaking of certain qualities.

-John

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#117056 - 12/26/03 02:44 PM Re: Why does Judo get a bad rep?
3SIXO Offline
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Registered: 12/25/03
Posts: 160
I TRAINING IN KARATE TRADITIONAL JUJITSU AND JUDO AND BY FAR ITHINK JUDO IS THE MOST PHYSICALLY AND MENTALLY CHALLENGEING OF THE BUNCH I JUST WISHED THEY WOULD BE A LITTLE LESS COMPETITION MINDED

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#117057 - 12/26/03 08:13 PM Re: Why does Judo get a bad rep?
DrAnnMaria Offline
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Registered: 12/25/03
Posts: 2
Loc: Santa Monica, CA, USA
I found a few uses for judo as self-defense in my mis-spent youth. I did exactly what I did in tournaments. A good o soto makikomi on the asphalt slows down most people. Ko uchi makikomi is a hard fall to take if your back slams into a chair.

Now I am older, hopefully wiser, stay out of fights and just teach. One of the children I teach was recently grabbed around the throat on the school yard. She slammed the young man with o soto gari and sent him to the emergency room.

Guess I never felt any need for modification. Maybe it depends on your personal style. Way back when, the Panam coach said watching me compete was like watching a bar fight.

Originally posted by judodoc:

But I agree that for self defense Judo needs either some slight fine tuning or simply a high level player.
How much self defense have you guys experinced in your Judo curriculums ?
I am just curious. Is anybody teaching this ?
Any tips on sources or scenarios ?

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#117058 - 12/26/03 10:07 PM Re: Why does Judo get a bad rep?
Hogtooth Offline
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Registered: 07/13/03
Posts: 78
Loc: USA
An often overlooked element of Judo training are the indidgenous Atemi Waza. Reincorporate this into your training to round out what sport competition has virtually eliminated. Judo was never meant to be a sport.

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#117059 - 12/27/03 07:13 AM Re: Why does Judo get a bad rep?
3SIXO Offline
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Registered: 12/25/03
Posts: 160
I would love to find a school that incorporates atemi waza with their judo and trained both for competition and self defense this to me would be a pretty complete system I use the judo i learn on the street enough to see its effectiveness mostly throws and arm bars Im a nyc cop no street fighter lol

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#117060 - 12/27/03 07:24 AM Re: Why does Judo get a bad rep?
JKogas Offline
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Registered: 01/25/03
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Put headgear on and work boxing with closing the distance. Add throws to the mix in the clinch.

-John

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#117061 - 12/27/03 07:38 AM Re: Why does Judo get a bad rep?
Bossman Offline
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Registered: 08/25/03
Posts: 1785
Loc: Chatham Kent UK
If you look at chapter 19 of Kano's Kodokan Judo the Seiryoku Zen'yo Kokumin Taiku seems to fit the self defence aspects admirably. The solo exercises are all Karate atemi waza, the kneeling and standing techniques against an opponent and weapons are an excellent start for self exploration.

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#117062 - 12/27/03 09:18 AM Re: Why does Judo get a bad rep?
immrtldragon Offline
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Registered: 05/22/03
Posts: 1540
Loc: Just outside Philadelphia, PA
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bossman:
If you look at chapter 19 of Kano's Kodokan Judo the Seiryoku Zen'yo Kokumin Taiku seems to fit the self defence aspects admirably. The solo exercises are all Karate atemi waza, the kneeling and standing techniques against an opponent and weapons are an excellent start for self exploration.[/QUOTE]

This book has a lot of useful info in it...I just went to reference mine the other day and it seems that I misplaced it (or let someone borrow it and never got it back). I'm going to get another copy though.

Also, Kogas, really good point about the boxing/clinch/throw. As soon as my neck heals I plan to do more boxing to help round out my Judo training and add another dimension.

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