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#116879 - 09/23/03 01:34 PM Promotions in Judo
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Most Judo clubs require competing in tournaments in order to be eligible to test for a higher rank...any opinions on if this is a fair/good practice? Many clubs also require that you not only compete, but win. Does anyone think this has positive/negative effects on the attitude of the students and the actual progress they make?

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#116880 - 09/23/03 04:33 PM Re: Promotions in Judo
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I think it stops people getting belts they don't deserve.

Not that grades are that important as such, but at least when you see a judo blackbelt - you know that he has gone out and through blood and sweat achieved a combat award through real, alive, full contact matches.

I think its a mind set, in the end Judo has made the transision to sport, you don't give an athelete a gold medal just because he has trained for as long, turned up to all the training sessions, watched his diet like the next athelete who has done the same - but actually won. Do you see what I am getting at.

The winning is the progression - in judo at least.

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#116881 - 09/24/03 01:27 PM Re: Promotions in Judo
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I agree, it would stop undeserving people from getting the belts. My dilema is that some, including me, do not have the time/money/ability to travel in order to compete, yet are passionate and train hard. Some, like myself, also attend seminars/training camps as often as possible. Is it not unfair to penalize people who train hard and are good, but simply can't attend tournaments? It sounds like I am complaining about my club, but I'm not. They are very competitive, but in 2 years I've only been to 2 tournaments. It's very local to me, so I can accomplish it, and my club understands. Just noticed other people I have met whose clubs are strict about certain requirements (one being competing and winning). I think the belts should not be associated with medals/trophies. If you want a medal: compete...if you want rank promotions: train hard and improve. I also agree belts should not mean a lot, but they do to a lot of people...it's a way to gauge your progress, not your competitive edge and ability to win medals/trophies.

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#116882 - 09/24/03 11:31 PM Re: Promotions in Judo
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wouldn't it also make sense if for whatever reason you can't compete, have match against whatever belt rank you are going for?
If you beat them, or do realy well doesn't that mean you are ready for the next level?

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#116883 - 09/26/03 12:46 PM Re: Promotions in Judo
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I was thinking with the BJA they have grading (yes you still have to compete and win) which you should have at your club from time to time.

As for expense judo is probably the cheapest martial art out there you don't really need any more than the gi and belt and haven't you ever heard of getting a lift with other people from the club?

Obviously I am not sure of your circumstances but if you wanted to compete - you would find a way.

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#116884 - 09/26/03 03:59 PM Re: Promotions in Judo
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You have a point, if you want to compete you will find a way...but it's still not that easy. You could definitely hitch a ride, but you may still have to stay overnight in a hotel, pay for the competition costs, and eat. For a full-time college student with a part-time job, this is not easy...it COULD be done, but it is not really practical. But as well, that is part of the point: some people don't want to compete...they just want to train, fight, and learn. The question is, should they be a white belt with lots of experience, even if they can ippon the brown belt sitting next to them 9 out of 10 matches? Furthermore, wouldn't it be unfair (to other competitors) if they practiced for three years, remianed a white belt, then decided to compete in a tournament...they would be in the white belt division.

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#116885 - 09/27/03 03:02 PM Re: Promotions in Judo
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i dont belive in belts as a form of rank myself, i know what throws, pins, and chockes i am able to do, i dont need specific colored belt around my waist to let myself and others know what my skill level is. i dont compete in judo, i never intended to but my sensei is always trying to push me to compete to help me promote to the next belt, that is where i dont see eye to eye with him. i honestly dont care if i ever move up to the next colored belt, as long as my skill level increases, that is all that matters to me, besides, i randori with all types of skill levels, i think my sensei can tell what i am capable of doing. when i first got into judo i was looking for a martial art for self defense only, i had no idea that judo was such a big martial sport and most people were in it to compete, i decided to stick with it though. i wish we could have class sometimes wearing plain street clothes instead of gi's, if i comes down to having to defend yourself out on the street chances are they wont be wearing a gi for you to grab hold of.

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#116886 - 09/27/03 03:43 PM Re: Promotions in Judo
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Justin, good point and I agree the ranks don't mean much other than colored cloth. I was just debating the fairness of it to you (hypothetically) and others you may later face if you decide to compete one day. My club is similar with the pressure to compete in some tournaments, but they don't bother with it too much if you tell them you just want to train for fun/self-defense. If you want to try to fight without the gi, try finding people at your club or other grapplers near you. I have a few friends who do BJJ and some who wrestle...sometimes we train w/out the gi. It feels pretty different at first (training w/out the gi), but it is not as difficult to adapt as you may think...you'll still have good footwork and mat-sense.

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#116887 - 09/27/03 06:55 PM Re: Promotions in Judo
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most competitions are in weight categories anyway, who cares what grade you are, what counts is how many ipons you can get!

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#116888 - 09/27/03 08:27 PM Re: Promotions in Judo
justinc Offline
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another thing about belt and rank promotions i disagree with is being nailed with a $50 testing fee, i think the $100 i pay a month is enough. i dont know about your school but at my school my sensei added an orange belt, is what i am right now, im in between yellow and green, and he added a blue which is a belt between green and brown. when i took the test i thought i was taking the test for the green, when i was done he handed me an orange belt, for awhile everyone kept asking me why i had an orange belt because the kids have and orange belt in the ranks.

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