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#116811 - 07/09/03 01:05 PM Re: Practical Street Judo--PLEASE Contribute
JohnL Offline
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Registered: 03/24/03
Posts: 4309
Loc: NY, NY, USA
I don't know if my comments will take the discussion forward or not, but I believe judo is one of the few martial arts that gives (in relative safety) full contact fighting against an unwilling opponent.

The judo players I've trained with pinned me, choked me, arm barred me, threw me, and generally made my time on the mat very unpleasant. (Great training)

I also have a guy who trains in karate with me who also holds a 3rd dan in judo.
When we spar I spend all the time I can, trying to keep him off me. If he gets hold of me, and I don't mean in a lock or anything, it hurts. If he grabs my Gi he usually grabs a good lump of flesh at the same time. My standard defense to all this is to say, "please let go, that really hurts!"

My point though, is that what judo does give you, is a physical and psycological toughness that is not the case in a lot of MA's.

That in itself, regardless of the techniques, gives a huge advantage.

JohnL

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#116812 - 07/09/03 02:18 PM Re: Practical Street Judo--PLEASE Contribute
kempo_jujitsu Offline
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Registered: 06/15/03
Posts: 1914
Loc: illinois, usa
agreed! judo if nothing else will surely toughen your ass up!! and teach you to apply the techniques on an actively moving, and resisting opponent...not to mention a skilled one at that who is also trying to throw, lock, choke or pin you at the same time you are trying to do the same to him.

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#116813 - 08/17/03 10:07 AM Re: Practical Street Judo--PLEASE Contribute
JKogas Offline
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Registered: 01/25/03
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Judo is a great art BECAUSE they train against people who actually resist their attempts.

What do "bad guys" do in real fights? They resist! Any art which has you practice against non-cooperative opponents will put you ahead of the game and will help you when you need it. Judo is definitely one of those arts.

-John

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#116814 - 08/19/03 09:09 PM Re: Practical Street Judo--PLEASE Contribute
Remandman Offline
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Registered: 08/18/03
Posts: 64
Loc: Canada
I like Judo, I studied it as a youth for seven years before getting into Karate. I must say in every real life situation I have been in, I have used what I learned in Judo more than Karate. Why? Probably because the opportunity presented itself and the way the fight went. I only have punched a few times, normally throw, choke or an arm lock in situations worked. In extreme cases, a punch to a "soft spot" like the throat, eyes, ear, kidneys, floating rib work too.

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#116815 - 02/24/04 05:23 PM Re: Practical Street Judo--PLEASE Contribute
pablo Offline
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Registered: 02/23/04
Posts: 20
Loc: santa cruz, california, US
If a guy is coming in with a punch to my body or
head, my favorite method involves blocking
that arm, entangling it, grab his head, hair,
collar whatever you can get a hold of, and
do an O Soto Gari on him. Follow it up with
an armbar if you need to or run if you can.
Remember, if you can steer his head, his body
will follow.

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#116816 - 03/12/04 08:43 PM Re: Practical Street Judo--PLEASE Contribute
backwardwalker Offline
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Registered: 03/11/04
Posts: 6
Loc: fl,usa
Judo can be the strongest art for real fighting if you train to use a clinch first. In real fights you have to grab hold and stop the person from hitting you. Then you can throw them. Forget about using kicks and groin or shin kicks. When you are moving around you don't have any balance. Another thing to learn is wrestling takedowns from a standing position.It's simpler and faster than judo throws but not quite as safe to use because you have to let go of one or both grips which allows the opponent to slip away or strike you.

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#116817 - 03/20/04 07:17 AM Re: Practical Street Judo--PLEASE Contribute
JKogas Offline
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Registered: 01/25/03
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Loc: North Carolina
This may be common sense (or in fact already mentioned), but definitely work on your standing clinch. Learn the wrestling moves (as have already been said) and, work your BOXING skills! (and please don't neglect to put TIME into your mat work!)

Each range affects the others in turn. Having good boxing ability makes it easier to obtain a clinch. Having a good clinch game makes it easier to control, throw and work on the ground to control a resisting bad guy.

Be well-rounded in other words.

-John

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#116818 - 03/22/04 12:00 PM Re: Practical Street Judo--PLEASE Contribute
judodoc Offline
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Registered: 10/10/03
Posts: 152
Loc: Charlottesville VA USA
Koshi guruma, headlock throw, from a clinch or from one handed grip from outside.
If clinched and can't unbalance forward, osotogari, and can be done with malice if needed. OUCH.

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#116819 - 03/24/04 10:13 AM Re: Practical Street Judo--PLEASE Contribute
VJ Offline
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Registered: 03/16/04
Posts: 146
Loc: San Diego, CA
JohnL the "physical and psycological toughness" mentioned isn't quite the point. I think we need to focus on which techniques have been successfully employed on today's streets where everyone isn't sporting a gi.

This is an excellent topic because it is asking for actual vice theoretical experience. Something that I can't advise you about since I've never used a technique in an actual situation.

[This message has been edited by VJ (edited 03-24-2004).]

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#116820 - 04/12/04 04:47 PM Re: Practical Street Judo--PLEASE Contribute
MorpheusRS Offline
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Registered: 08/28/03
Posts: 50
Loc: Israel
My background is greco-roman, muay-thai, sambo and judo,
I have used o-soto gari, o-goshi, koshi guruma and quite a few wrestling takedowns.
extremely effective if done with the "punching helper", grabbig the clothes and punching the head while throwing.. gets the job done.

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