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#115247 - 03/02/05 01:08 PM Re: Kawakami Gensai
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by splice:
Yes, you are so learned, you two *snicker*.

What are your sources for your information? From what I know, only the assassination of Sakuma Shouzan was documented, and while it's believed that he did others, we have no records.

He killed 1000 shinsengumi? Where did you see that? With the 3 other Hitokiri? I haven't heard of them being involved with the Shinsen gumi, I see no reference to that in the japanese wikipedia. Do you know who the other 3 Hitokiri are?

He created 5 styles? Again, where did you read that? What styles?

I've seen absolutely nothing about him cutting off the shogun's head. He did, however, get executed.

You certainly seem to know a hell of a lot that's not common knowledge, and you assert those facts quite forcefully. However, you may find that you won't be believed unless you name your sources. And no, rurouni kenshin and related stuff don't count as historical sources.

Trunks, the fact that this guy agrees with you doesn't mean he knows much. If you think only people who agree with you are cool, you'll surround yourself with yes-men and never learn anything, because you're not willing to consider you might be wrong. The "others" on this site have dozens of years of experience in the Japanese Sword Arts - you discard their opinions much too lightly, and seem to have a disproportionate belief in your "facts".
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heres a web with some info on Hitokiris http://www.answers.com/topic/kawakami-gensai

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#115248 - 03/02/05 01:17 PM Re: Kawakami Gensai
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As has been mentioned before, wikipedia hardly qualifies as a reliable source of information. Anyone can edit the information there. Besides the article does not support many of your claims, at least not as of the time I wrote this. The information could be different by the time someone else checks it.

If you want us to believe your claims you're gonna have to do better than this. For all we know, you wrote the article.

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#115249 - 03/02/05 01:26 PM Re: Kawakami Gensai
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Actually, just to get the ball rolling on these ridiculous assertions...

Which shogun did Hitokiri Gensai behead? Tokugawa Iemochi/Yoshitomi, who died of an illness in 1866, or Tokugawa Keiki/Yoshinobu, who died in 1913, 41 years after the execution of Kawakami Gensai? The two other shoguns that reigned during Kawakami's lifetime were Tokugawa Iesada and Tokugawa Ieyoshi, and both died of illnesses.

On preview: I can accept what's written in that wikipedia article. However, none of it refers to the 1000 shinsengumi that were supposedly killed by the 4 hitokiri, the 5 styles he's supposed to have created, or the beheading of the shogun. Try again.

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#115250 - 03/02/05 01:42 PM Re: Kawakami Gensai
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by splice:
Actually, just to get the ball rolling on these ridiculous assertions...

Which shogun did Hitokiri Gensai behead? Tokugawa Iemochi/Yoshitomi, who died of an illness in 1866, or Tokugawa Keiki/Yoshinobu, who died in 1913, 41 years after the execution of Kawakami Gensai? The two other shoguns that reigned during Kawakami's lifetime were Tokugawa Iesada and Tokugawa Ieyoshi, and both died of illnesses.

On preview: I can accept what's written in that wikipedia article. However, none of it refers to the 1000 shinsengumi that were supposedly killed by the 4 hitokiri, the 5 styles he's supposed to have created, or the beheading of the shogun. Try again.
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I don't belive he created the 5 styles the other guy said that. read first speack second.

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#115251 - 03/02/05 01:48 PM Re: Kawakami Gensai
Anonymous
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And anyway the stuff i study is the edo period itself not the people in it.

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#115252 - 03/02/05 02:07 PM Re: Kawakami Gensai
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Trunk

"anyway the stuff I study is the edo period itself,not the people in it."

Huh???

You can study "the edo period itself?"

Yeah, I majored in "1664" with a a minor in "1776" and special concentration in "1888."

Pretty soon I will be working on a Masters in "1920"



[This message has been edited by cxt (edited 03-02-2005).]

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#115253 - 03/02/05 02:07 PM Re: Kawakami Gensai
Anonymous
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by trunkssun:
Originally posted by battousaisupreme:
gensai is the most skilled swordsman. he created 5 new styles and musashi is nothing gensai survived the Boshin war. he and the other three hitokiris single handedly cut down 1000 shinsengumi and gensai took off the shoguns head personally



I like seeing that people study stuff before opening there mouths your Kool ulike others on this site!!!
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by trunkssun:
I don't belive he created the 5 styles the other guy said that. read first speack second.[/QUOTE]

Read your own comment. You singled him out as being cool for studying stuff before opening his mouth, but when he ends up being wrong, you don't believe him and imply that I misread you? Ridiculous.

And before you go off on how "you people think you're so smart, I despise people like that", consider this: on one side you have forum regulars with years of experience in Japanese Sword Arts and associated things (history, etc.), on the other you have a new person to the board. The regulars disagree with the new person on a number of things. Now, which is more likely:

- The new person is wrong on a number of things and should learn from those who have more knowledge and experience than him to better himself.

Or

- All the regulars are wrong, and the new person knows better than all of them, nay, is the very fount of all knowledge.

I think you ought to think about that for a bit. Being young, inexperienced or plain wrong about some things is no crime. Being unwilling to learn and lashing out at those who correct you is not a crime either, but is certainly no way to learn anything.

[This message has been edited by splice (edited 03-02-2005).]

[This message has been edited by splice (edited 03-02-2005).]

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#115254 - 03/02/05 10:05 PM Re: Kawakami Gensai
Anonymous
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It is Common knowledge" that gensai and the other imperialists were enemies of the shinsengumi and i made a mistake it was a shogun follow up ex.relatives and there were 3 other "high" hitokiris with gensai

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#115255 - 03/02/05 10:11 PM Re: Kawakami Gensai
Anonymous
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I have studied gensai for 25 years so yes the "new comer" is correct and many survivng shinsengumi recorded on scrolls of this assualt which few can see including me i majored in antique restoration and military history and minored in forgery identification so i would know if they were forges

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#115256 - 03/03/05 05:07 AM Re: Kawakami Gensai
laf7773 Offline
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Registered: 05/05/04
Posts: 4064
Loc: Limbo
How would you identify a forged Japanese scroll?

If you are correct then there should be some academic proof to back up your claims. Feel free to name at least one source that can be independently verified.

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