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#114610 - 03/04/05 10:16 PM Re: Is there anyone who dosen't want to argue, 'cause this is an open subject
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Charles Mahan:
Ok fine. A friend of mine was a marine. Pretty sure he could gun you down from a good 1500 meter range(that's 15 football fields away). He was also fond of reminding me that there isn't anything on the average city block(including engine blocks) that could stop a .50 cal round.

You're dreaming dude. A competent person with a gun is gonna ruin your day from well outside your range.
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The outcome could also be dependant on how far you are from the gunman and how fast you are at drawing. There are a lot of different factors that could determine the end result of a fight between a gunman and a swordsman.

I read about and hear these type of arguments all of the time. Muay Thai versus boxing, Krav Maga versus Karate, Iaijutsu versus Kenjutsu, Ninjutsu versus Kenjutsu, Jujutsu versus Brazilian Jujutsu, kickboxing versus Tae Kwon Do/Tang Soo Do/Hapkido, full contact versus point-sparring (the only one that I take a side on based on first hand experience involving myself and other fighters from my gym), koryu versus anything created in the last fifty years. I've heard it all, and each and every last one of those arguments is moot until you find enough practitioners of each art that are willing to help you conduct an experiment.

Until someone decides to conduct an experiment pitting 400 gunmen versus 400 swordsmen in different scenarios, with different types of guns, different sword styles, and different skill levels no one can make an accurate claim stating which side would win in a life or death confrontation.

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#114611 - 03/05/05 08:15 AM Re: Is there anyone who dosen't want to argue, 'cause this is an open subject
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by shadowdragon:
As to earlier comments. I'm just tired of everything being assumed as a samurai-sword. I personally have no need for that. I started wearing my main katana in my front yard but that's as far as I'll push it at the moment. I don't know if it's illegal or not.[/QUOTE]

I once heard of a law that says that if the katana is in the saya it is considered concealed.

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#114612 - 03/05/05 11:09 AM Re: Is there anyone who dosen't want to argue, 'cause this is an open subject
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by kenjutsu n00b:
There are a lot of different factors that could determine the end result of a fight between a gunman and a swordsman.[/QUOTE]

Sure...say if the gunman was asleep.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by kenjutsu n00b:
I read about and hear these type of arguments all of the time. Muay Thai versus boxing, Krav Maga versus Karate, Iaijutsu versus Kenjutsu, Ninjutsu versus Kenjutsu, Jujutsu versus Brazilian Jujutsu, kickboxing versus Tae Kwon Do/Tang Soo Do/Hapkido, full contact versus point-sparring (the only one that I take a side on based on first hand experience involving myself and other fighters from my gym)[/QUOTE]

You're talking apples to apples here. But a sword vs a gun is not apples to apples. It's a hand held weapon vs. a missile. Huge difference. Missiles advanced through history and swords did not because the sword guys realized that was a confrontation that was not in their favor.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by kenjutsu n00b:
Until someone decides to conduct an experiment pitting 400 gunmen versus 400 swordsmen in different scenarios, with different types of guns, different sword styles, and different skill levels no one can make an accurate claim stating which side would win in a life or death confrontation.[/QUOTE]


Okay. Sign me up for the gun side. I'll play. Actually, CM hit it right on the head. The S. Pacific was full of "experiments" of just that nature.

Seriously. There is a reason swords are no longer a serious threat in modern day warfare. They're simply too limited in their ability. Do you really think any of the ancient arts would have retreated into history if they weren't forced to by ever improving weapons and styles of combat? I love the sword but let's keep in perspective what its abilities are and are not.

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#114613 - 03/05/05 12:17 PM Re: Is there anyone who dosen't want to argue, 'cause this is an open subject
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gemini:

Okay. Sign me up for the gun side. I'll play. Actually, CM hit it right on the head. The S. Pacific was full of "experiments" of just that nature.

Seriously. There is a reason swords are no longer a serious threat in modern day warfare. They're simply too limited in their ability. Do you really think any of the ancient arts would have retreated into history if they weren't forced to by ever improving weapons and styles of combat? I love the sword but let's keep in perspective what its abilities are and are not.

[/QUOTE]

The reason guns and other related weapons were created were to be able to kill as many people as possible in the shortest amount of time. The fact that you are a gunman makes your opinion biased. It is almost a given you were gonna say that a gunman would win.

You also completely missed the point I made in my last post. What I was trying to say was that we could both go on forever arguing over who would win, all the while giving good points and going no where.

In defense of swordsmen is that a person may have a gun an trained with it, but may not have the mindset to actually kill with it. Or, maybe the swordsman is close enough to perform a quick draw and chop off the gunmans arm before he can shoot. Or, the gunman holstered the gun behind them in their pants, and the extra time to draw their gun is all the swordsman needed to cut him in half. Do you see how this argument could go on and on?

My experiment idea was just a way to kill the argument and shut both sides up, regardless of weapon, ryu, style, or training methods.

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#114614 - 03/05/05 01:38 PM Re: Is there anyone who dosen't want to argue, 'cause this is an open subject
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Such a lovely idea for a thread - such a brutal, quick ending.

- Op. Skinny Ninja

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#114615 - 03/05/05 06:30 PM Re: Is there anyone who dosen't want to argue, 'cause this is an open subject
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by kenjutsu n00b:
The fact that you are a gunman makes your opinion biased. It is almost a given you were gonna say that a gunman would win.[/QUOTE]

Actually, I take 2 sword arts, HDGD and Kendo. It's because I have experience with both types of weapons that makes my opinion biased.


[QUOTE]Originally posted by kenjutsu n00b:
You also completely missed the point I made in my last post.[/QUOTE]

No. I completely understood what your point was, I just don't agree with it.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by kenjutsu n00b:
My experiment idea was just a way to kill the argument and shut both sides up
[/QUOTE]

I'll buy that. I'm done.

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#114616 - 03/09/05 04:55 AM Re: Is there anyone who dosen't want to argue, 'cause this is an open subject
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konichiwa minasan... can anyone please post a sakabatou pics... i'm having troble finding them on the net... some of the images are too small... is there a pic that looks like kenshin's sakabatou... thanks in advance!!!...

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#114617 - 03/09/05 04:08 PM Re: Is there anyone who dosen't want to argue, 'cause this is an open subject
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I would suggest that you simply do a search on Google. You do know that the sword is fictional, and that you should in no way ever consider buying a weapon from a company that would forge a foolish weapon like that, right? Good.

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#114618 - 03/09/05 08:19 PM Re: Is there anyone who dosen't want to argue, 'cause this is an open subject
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Contrary to some of the rhetoric, sakabatou replicas are not entirely without value for some folks. They make just as much sense as purchasing a lightsaber replica. They are good for memorobilia collectors and costumes. Useless of course as training weapons.

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#114619 - 03/10/05 02:37 AM Re: Is there anyone who dosen't want to argue, 'cause this is an open subject
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Yup! i know that the sakabatou never existed and was only made for the anime. im just a stupid little boy who loves sword... sorry mr.mahan... ^_^x

[This message has been edited by HiToKiRi_08 (edited 03-10-2005).]

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