[QUOTE]Originally posted by laf7773:
The reason everyone is saying you can't learn from books and videos is because it's true. I don't care how much you want to believe you can, it's not possible. They are ONLY there for reference for those who are in study, looking to gain an understanding of an art prior to studying it or to gain a general understanding of the history and differences in their art to others.

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WHAT!!!!! You mean all those movies and mangas in which an enlightened hero goes off on his own and comes up with this fantastic new system after a few months effort are wrong???!!!! [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif[/IMG]

Actually, Miyamoto Musashi Fujiwara No Genshin learned various bugei, including kenjutsu and juttejutsu from his father, Fujiwara Shinmen Munisai Taketo, who was one of the martial arts instructor for the Shimazu clan until he migrated to the Bungo Takeda province (present day Oita & Fukuoka prefectures).

He wasn't self taught. He did have instruction from a very good source.

[This message has been edited by Gunyo Kogusoku (edited 01-14-2005).]

[QUOTE]There is no way you can get into anything for that matter without studying or some type of research.
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That's just dead wrong. I got started by walking into the dojo one day, not knowing anything more about it than what I had garnered from a brief article in the UNT paper. I'd hardly call that studying or research.

Alev

It seems to me that there is some confusion here.

Most of us are NOT saying that you can't learn INFORMATION ABOUT a style from books.

What we are saying is you can't learn THE STYLE from books.

For example you can read about the Niten Ryu, its history, weapons and look at some pictures of its a few of its techniques--but that is a world away from any real training.

Books can't take the place of real training.

There's nothing nicer than the feeling of training with a group under the watchful eye of a sensei.

Damnit! Stop talking about whether you can learn the technique from books or movies.

Argument 1: I can learn the technique from books!

Argument 2: No you can't!

Hey #1! Go to someone who is a 30 year master of one of ken no jutsu and tell him that you can kill him with the 3 week training course given to you by the great librarian of whatever hick town you're from. Here is what would happen:

Dumbass Bookworm: I will kill you! Haaaa!!!!
(DB charges at master)
Master:...
(DB gets killed in the swipe of master's sword as master takes advantage of DB's flaw.)

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[This message has been edited by iainobenkyou (edited 01-16-2005).]

Iaino, I appreciate your sentiment, but there is no need to be rude. Please, control your temper and exclamation points (using many in a row reduces the effect).

i think your wrong im now 17 and taught my self my own tequnique and the age of 11 you dont need to go see a teacher just to learn you CAN teach yourself

[QUOTE]Originally posted by jed_209:
i think your wrong im now 17 and taught my self my own tequnique and the age of 11 you dont need to go see a teacher just to learn you CAN teach yourself[/QUOTE]

and yes you can learn form movies so im with benjamin

It isn't killing people, but I set up a system that is helpful as I train with friends(some have training in forms of ninjtsu and other types of JSA).Maybe you could help if you see any major flaws in it.
I measure hits by how well contact was made, type of attack,the way I was moving at the time of contact.Other factors also come into play. I'll probably be going to a dojo in a year for training. I'm trying to get as much done in how to move the sword in ways that are harder to predict.

[This message has been edited by ModernWanderer15 (edited 02-02-2005).]