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#113440 - 12/05/04 05:22 PM haidong gumdo vs kendo
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Which is more effective haidong gumdo or kendo?

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#113441 - 12/06/04 10:10 AM Re: haidong gumdo vs kendo
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Since Kumdo and Kendo are essentially the same art.

I have to ask.

"effective" for what exactly?

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#113442 - 12/06/04 03:12 PM Re: haidong gumdo vs kendo
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by cxt:

Since Kumdo and Kendo are essentially the same art.

I have to ask.

"effective" for what exactly?
[/QUOTE]

if there where a fight between a gumdo fighter and a kendo fighter which would be more lethal

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#113443 - 12/06/04 06:44 PM Re: haidong gumdo vs kendo
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The fighter with a better grasp of ma ai, or the Korean equivalent.

I did Kendo for about a year and am currently in Gumdo and while Kendo was more oriented towards the sport sparring aspect where I trained and the Gumdo is geared towards "battlefield" application, there really are only so many ways you can swing a curved, single edged sword - be it mok gum or bokuto. It's akin to saying "Who would win, a judoka or a jujutsuka?"

Like cxt said, they are essentially the same art. If you wanted to split hairs you could say that a kendoka would only have a shinai while a gumdo player would have a katana, but Musashi already showed us that stick can beat steel.

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#113444 - 02/22/05 10:33 PM Re: haidong gumdo vs kendo
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[QUOTE]Since Kumdo and Kendo are essentially the same art.
I have to ask.

"effective" for what exactly?[/QUOTE]While it's true that Kumdo and Kendo are extremely similar, Kumdo is not Haidong Gumdo; these are two completely different art forms. The only real similarities I see between Kumdo and Haidong Gumdo is that they both use swords.

[QUOTE]The fighter with a better grasp of ma ai, or the Korean equivalent[/QUOTE]I'm assuming that the original poster was thinking that the representative from each art form would have equivalent expertise. With that in mind, I would have to go with Haidong Gumdo. My reason is that Haidong Gumdo is geared towards actual battlefield combat while Kendo is geared towards competitive sparring.

But then again, I'm baised since Haidong Gumdo is the art form I train in. :-)

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#113445 - 02/23/05 07:44 AM Re: haidong gumdo vs kendo
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Turom

With all respect, this conversation has been had before.
Haidong Gumdo is essentially a modern invention or perhaps re-creation.

Haidong Gumdo can't be traced back very far at all.

Comparitive Japanese Ryu can be traced back 100s and 100's of years. We can trace master x teaching master y whom taught master z and so on.

Haidong Gumdo's technique and methods of training are for closer to those used in Kumdo.

Its a fine art, it produces skilled folks.

But an old battlefield art it ain't.

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#113446 - 02/23/05 09:02 AM Re: haidong gumdo vs kendo
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[QUOTE]With all respect, this conversation has been had before.
Haidong Gumdo is essentially a modern invention or perhaps re-creation.[/QUOTE]I don't understand how this challenges my statement that Kumdo is not Haidong Gumdo. [QUOTE]Haidong Gumdo's technique and methods of training are for closer to those used in Kumdo.[/QUOTE]Having seen Kumdo and Kendo, and being someone who practices HDGD, I do not see very many similarities. One is meant for one on one fighting, the other is meant for one on many fighting. One is meant for making lethal attacks, the other is meant for scoring by hitting specific parts.
[QUOTE]Haidong Gumdo can't be traced back very far at all.

Comparitive Japanese Ryu can be traced back 100s and 100's of years. We can trace master x teaching master y whom taught master z and so on.[/QUOTE]Well, since Japan outlawed all Korean martial arts (punishable by death) during their occupation of Korea, I can see how it's not so easy to trace back from master to master to master. HDDG is rooted in a 1700 year old art form that was "updated" in the 1960s.

Just because an art form hasn't remained unchanged for hundreds of years does not invalidate the art. I surely hope you are not suggesting HDGD was "invented" in the 1960s.

But regardless, the original post wasn't about whether you or I consider HDGD a valid form of martial arts, whether it's 40 years old or 1700 years old, it was someone just wondering what people thought.

All I did was clear up a false statement and post my answer to the original poster.

[This message has been edited by Turom (edited 02-23-2005).]

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#113447 - 02/23/05 09:31 AM Re: haidong gumdo vs kendo
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Turom

Actually that is kinda what I am suggesting.

HG, as far as I am aware is based upon kumdo, its masters were trained in kumdo and its tech are from kumdo.
Which is pretty much Japanese kendo.

(Although I don't understand the "one is meant for one-on-one fighting and one is meant for one on many fighting" I get the sentence I just don't understand what it means.)

Answer me this, how far back can you trace HG? BY NAME.

Whom taught your teacher? And whom taught him? and whom taught him.
My guess, the trail stops around the 50's-maybe as late as the 1920/30's.
And it stops with folks trained in kumdo/kendo.

Since you have posted no info on exactly HOW HG differs from kumdo/kendo.
We don't really have a "false" statement. We have your assurtions that its "false" and little else.

More than happy to have a disccusion, maybe I am totally wrong--would not tbe the first time.

Can we get more specifc?

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#113448 - 02/24/05 06:22 AM Re: haidong gumdo vs kendo
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Turom:
[QUOTE]Just because an art form hasn't remained unchanged for hundreds of years does not invalidate the art. I surely hope you are not suggesting HDGD was "invented" in the 1960s.[/QUOTE]

I'm gonna go along with CXT on this one--yeah, I suspect that Haidong Gumdo is indeed a modern invention, derived from Japanese sources (much like the Korean form of judo, known as yudo). Certainly, there is no evidence I am aware of that it is an ancient art.

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#113449 - 02/25/05 12:48 PM Re: haidong gumdo vs kendo
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by SamurangWarrior:
Which is more effective haidong gumdo or kendo?[/QUOTE]

Back to your original question. I do both. Kendo is only a sport, so assuming you mean for a real life application of which is more deadly, I'd say HG.

Now to contradict myself, and confuse such a simple answer, in the only real life confrontation I had with a weapon since training in these MA's, I used the Kendo stance and had Kendo as the technique in mind...go figure. Course I wasn't holding a katana either.

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