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#111717 - 10/03/04 06:20 PM Re: Samurai Help
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I recomend reasearching western chivalry and fenching arts. The formalities where very similar to the Samuri, and they came from a similar roots. Just as the Samuri use not involve honor that much, the knight started off nothing more then a battle crazed thug, If you doubt me read Beowulf. If your looking for a destructive sword art, I still recomend western fencing. Even though theres the sterotype that samuri where the greatest swordsmen ever and the katana was the finest blade you could wield, these a more myth then anything. Knights empasized used of swords way more then the samuries ever did. After all Bushido means "way of the horse and bow", not "way of the sword." Western Fencing also has been practiced many hundreds of years befor the Eastern style. By logical deduction western fencing techniques should be more advanced, because they are more practiced. Hopefully this will do much to quwell some myths of the samuri.

That warrior quest thing is a joke.

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#111718 - 10/23/04 04:07 AM Re: Samurai Help
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You are totally right! That warrior quest site is just wrong! Although, it was very entertaining.

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#111719 - 10/23/04 04:48 PM Re: Samurai Help
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Hunter:
I recomend reasearching western chivalry and fenching arts. The formalities where very similar to the Samuri, and they came from a similar roots.[/QUOTE]

First off, it's samurai, not "samuri".

But yeah, both the bushi of Japan and the knights of Europe had "similar roots"--they were the warrior castes of their respective cultures.

[QUOTE]Just as the Samuri use not involve honor that much, the knight started off nothing more then a battle crazed thug, If you doubt me read Beowulf.[/QUOTE]

Knights had their origins as chevaliers, which simply means "horse-soldiers". As author David Howarth noted, chivalry was originally just a "cult of horsemanship and war".

[QUOTE]If your looking for a destructive sword art, I still recomend western fencing. Even though theres the sterotype that samuri where the greatest swordsmen ever and the katana was the finest blade you could wield, these a more myth then anything.[/QUOTE]

The katana is a fine weapon, though it is admittedly over-hyped.

[QUOTE]Knights empasized used of swords way more then the samuries ever did.[/QUOTE]

And what is your source for this claim?

[QUOTE]After all Bushido means "way of the horse and bow", not "way of the sword."[/QUOTE]

Actually, it means "way of the warrior".

[QUOTE]Western Fencing also has been practiced many hundreds of years befor the Eastern style.[/QUOTE]

Where are you coming up with this nonsense?

So give us some examples.

And some dates.

[QUOTE]By logical deduction western fencing techniques should be more advanced, because they are more practiced. Hopefully this will do much to quwell some myths of the samuri.[/QUOTE]

BS.

[QUOTE]That warrior quest thing is a joke. [/QUOTE]

That's the most accurate part of your post. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif[/IMG]

Peace,

A_M_P



[This message has been edited by Armed_Man_Piker (edited 10-23-2004).]

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#111720 - 10/25/04 06:20 AM Re: Samurai Help
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#111721 - 10/27/04 08:49 AM Re: Samurai Help
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In earlier statements on this thread two seperate people said that Bushido means

"way of the horse and bow" not "way of the sword." and "Actually, it means way of the warrior".

The literal translation of Bushido is as follows:
Bu = Military.
Shi = Knight/fighter/warrior (depending on your preferance).
Do = Way.
just as Budo = Military Way.
Bushido = Military Knight Way.

Hope that this helps [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG]

~Glenn

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#111722 - 10/27/04 09:42 AM Re: Samurai Help
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If I'm not mistaken the "way of the horse and bow" thing comes from the kanji used. I'm not familiar with the idea in any detail but I believe it stems from radicals used to make up the kanji, which are in fact the radicals which represent a horse and a bow. It's not altogether inaccurate, but it isn't really correct either.

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#111723 - 10/27/04 04:51 PM Re: Samurai Help
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by dj_nocte:
In earlier statements on this thread two seperate people said that Bushido means

"way of the horse and bow" not "way of the sword." and "Actually, it means way of the warrior".

The literal translation of Bushido is as follows:
Bu = Military.
Shi = Knight/fighter/warrior (depending on your preferance).
Do = Way.
just as Budo = Military Way.
Bushido = Military Knight Way.

Hope that this helps [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG]

~Glenn

[/QUOTE]

The literal translation is appreciated, but I believe that it only confirms the definition I offered.

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#111724 - 03/28/05 02:07 PM Re: Samurai Help
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samurai means to serve so it is in theory possible to become one without being born in to the tradition. however the likely hood of the emperor of japan asking anyone to become his bodyguard are very debatable.

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#111725 - 03/28/05 02:19 PM Re: Samurai Help
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I'm sure the Emperor has plenty of personal bodyguards, as do many public officials, but they are not Samurai. Just security staff. The Samurai class was officially abolished in the 1800s.

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#111726 - 03/28/05 06:53 PM Re: Samurai Help
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Boy are you in luck!!! How very fortunate that I happened to be reading this thread! You may find this hard to believe but I am the last official inheritor of the very little known Japanese art of Samurai!!

Though I now live in the US at one time I was abandoned on the steps of a temple not far from quiet monastery high in the mountains and not too far from the sea. I made my Black Belt in Samurai, the secret art taught only to the emperors of Manchuria and would be more than willing to teach you. Of course you will have to be willing to come to my home and be my live-in student as this is a very traditional art. Our tradition requires that the student assumes the support of the teacher for the length of the students' training which is usually not more than 20 years or so. When you are finished you will have certificate, suitable for framing, a patch of our association, a secret decoder ring and a lifetime membership to our on-going series of seminars.

BTW: Do you happen to know anyone who might be interested in an actual copy of the original map to the hiding place of the Holy Grail? I was lucky enough to have.....

Best Wishes,

Bruce

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