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#111138 - 04/25/01 09:56 PM The Spirit of the Sword
Brewer Offline
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Registered: 01/15/01
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HELLO,
When dealing with the realities of a real sword confrontation, the only and true concern would be that of death.And death being the greatest congradulations of all to a samurai,then would not one readily and freely embrace death with open arms.And in so doing,would not the same one choose death over life and choose not to win.But in choosing not to worry of death,does this not allow one to apply his spirit to his sword becoming one with his sword.Therefore he that chooses not,chooses to,and thus goes forward,waiting for the bliss and extasy of the end.Where for once and bonding forever the two spirits unit as one, where no mortal soul is aloud to roam.This is what my idea of the Spirit of the sword is all about,what do you think?

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#111139 - 01/23/03 12:42 PM Re: The Spirit of the Sword
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the spirit of the sword, in my eyes, refers to the bond, not the fusing, between the samurai and his weapon. I have used many different swords, and found that even if one is, in appearence, the same as another,it is much easier to preform different techniqes that were harder with the other like sword.

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#111140 - 05/15/03 12:52 AM Re: The Spirit of the Sword
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perhaps you're waxing a little too poetic about this "spirit/sword" thing. it's true that the climax to a samurai's life is death in battle. however, death in a duel was dishonerable indeed. but in either case, said samurai would fight until dead. i believe Winston Churchill commented that honor was not in dying for one's country, the honor was in making another man die for his.

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#111141 - 06/19/03 01:57 PM Re: The Spirit of the Sword
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It has always been my feeling that "the spirit of the sword" if taken alone in that statement, is the life force the sword itself has as does anything in this material world and that how that lifeforce changes when infused with the owner's spirit.

Hence.....you are all right.....the sword and master become one and blend their spirits and in doing so fuse a bond.......

I will never forget my katana "calling" me when I purchased it.......

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#111142 - 06/25/03 12:10 PM Re: The Spirit of the Sword
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by theoldcelt:
I will never forget my katana "calling" me when I purchased it.......[/QUOTE]

What exactly did it say?

2 suggestions

"Come to me, I'm yours, take me!"

"That'll be $700 dollars please."

JohnL [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG]

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#111143 - 06/27/03 01:22 PM Re: The Spirit of the Sword
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I belive that it is not about death it is about testing your limits if someone thinks they are the greatest they want to prove it like ali and the fact that other belive they are the greatest what better way to prove than in a duel man vs man no dirty trick no who can pull the trigger faster just a man and his sword NOTHING is more pure then that.

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#111144 - 06/27/03 02:47 PM Re: The Spirit of the Sword
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Hi Grimm
From my recollection, it was Boris Onishenko in the Montreal Olympics who was disqualified from the pentathlon after they found a trigger in the handle of his epee that registered hits in the fencing event.(What did you say about triggers)

So much for the theory of an honest duel. Swordsmen are no more honest and have no more honour than anyone else.

JohnL

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#111145 - 07/01/03 09:50 PM Re: The Spirit of the Sword
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i agree john. there is no such thing as a fair fight, in the struggle for life anything goes. "all's fair in love and war" it's all about where your training and opportunity meet. don't forget that duels are true tests of overall skill, because you have to use everything you can or you WILL die. and grimmm, there is very little difference between a man holding a sword and a man holding a gun. it is a man and his weapon, a man and his killing device. sure men bond with their weapons, but that doesn't necessarily make it righteous or pure.

[This message has been edited by evil (edited 07-01-2003).]

[This message has been edited by evil (edited 07-01-2003).]

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#111146 - 07/03/03 12:36 PM Re: The Spirit of the Sword
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you are right JohnL and Evil, HONOR there is no such think anymore the world that we know has festered away to a state of technologically advanced cavemen with better ways of screwing over people, "forgive me" but it upset me the see how far we have declined in the past 100 years it make me sick people only care about the winners not the battles that took place it's no longer about the act but the after thought just like the battle of gettysburg it wasn't about how won but the battle hell 100 yaers from now do you think people will care about what happen in iraq all they will care about who won histroy is bound to repeat itself the ways will come back again all i can do is pray and wait.

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#111147 - 07/07/03 09:00 PM Re: The Spirit of the Sword
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grimmm, know this: the history of war is written by the winners. and people do teach how battles were won (tactics and such) you just have to put in some study time and try to find the resources. and as far as being like "advanced cavemen" I think we just need to evolve our ideas. i also think 100 years from now kids will be taught about america's war with iraq much the same way we're taught about the roman empire or the macedonian empire. think about it. i wouldn't say we're declining or going backwards, we're just taking our time and refusing to evolve or go forward. evolution didn't end with us getting thumbs, y'know.

[This message has been edited by evil (edited 07-07-2003).]

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#111148 - 07/08/03 06:15 PM Re: The Spirit of the Sword
emjay Offline
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it's funny how many old style martial arts are focused on discipline and honor now. a street thug or a burgler doesn't give a damn about honor. Unless everyone agrees to fight by the same rules, honor doesn't apply. it's not who wins a fight, it's who can walk home to his family and friends under his own power after the fight is done.

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#111149 - 07/15/03 12:51 AM Re: The Spirit of the Sword
evil Offline
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Loc: Tucson
i agree emjay.

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#111150 - 10/29/03 05:06 PM Re: The Spirit of the Sword
bb39 Offline
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death is not something that a samurai wishes for and would accept with open arms, it is something that he will do to prove his loyalty to his master. it is not so important to lose as it is to please your master.in some cases, losing a fight that ends in death, it can be a dishonorable thing. i say this because if a masters best samurai is defeated, it will make the master look bad.

but to answer your question i think that the whole "spirit/sword" thing is really that a sword is a tool for killing in an instince to honor your master. and your spirit is to be bonded with the sword so as to honor your master.

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#111151 - 10/31/03 07:21 AM Re: The Spirit of the Sword
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Registered: 07/22/03
Posts: 1737
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by JohnL:
What exactly did it say?

2 suggestions

"Come to me, I'm yours, take me!"

"That'll be $700 dollars please."

JohnL [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG]
[/QUOTE]

[IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]
Too much!!!!!!

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#111152 - 11/06/03 01:17 PM Re: The Spirit of the Sword
e2gm Offline
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Registered: 10/17/03
Posts: 18
Geez... how old are you guys???
j/k [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/tongue.gif[/IMG]
Btw, I think a real man is a man with intellectual, not something as... physical....... like dying in a combat....

That's just stupid... wait a sec, I am not a coward, but don't you think this 'self-sacrificing' attitude is a must for the warriors but not the generals???
General must live and take 'revenge' for the dead.

Therefore, in conclusion..... death is not a matter of honourable and dishonourable....
As the people said, life is joyful, death is peaceful....

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