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#110210 - 02/28/04 03:34 PM LV neck restraint variation
Doughnut Offline

Registered: 08/24/03
Posts: 197
Loc: Mid-west, U.S.A
This may or may not be of interest, and may or may not be allowable by your department's use of force policy. Regardless I like it and thought I would share. I call this the "Elvis".
Assalient is attacking with some type of strike etc.
Deffender blocks and paries to the outside Goes in for a LV neck restraint, BUT uses JUST the inside arm for the choke... er "restraint" by flexing the bicep, and bringing the hand behind defenders own head in an action resembling "smoothing" defenders hair.
The body position is That is that the inside side of the deffenders body is flush against the attackers backside. So together attacker and defender resemble a "T".
This position allows mobility alowwing the defender to give commands to other individuals in the area, walk the attacker while maintaining the restaint, and gives defender access to, side arms, baton, chmical irritant with the free hand.
I hope this made sense.
Stay safe,

#110211 - 03/04/04 08:33 PM Re: LV neck restraint variation
Doughnut Offline

Registered: 08/24/03
Posts: 197
Loc: Mid-west, U.S.A
I take it that this post was somehow unintresting. Sorry

#110212 - 03/04/04 09:38 PM Re: LV neck restraint variation
Jamoni Offline

Registered: 01/17/03
Posts: 1514
Loc: St. Louis, MO, USA
(dons mantle of devil's advocate)
Doesn't your chokee have both hands free to signal to others, deploy batons/knives, and use radios?

#110213 - 03/05/04 03:23 AM Re: LV neck restraint variation
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Registered: 10/13/02
Posts: 1636
I've probably got the wrong image in my head, but doesn't this hold have real potential for positional asphyxia? I can't see our good old Home Office approving of it over here...mustn't hurt the bad guy.


#110214 - 03/05/04 04:51 PM Re: LV neck restraint variation
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Registered: 08/24/03
Posts: 197
Loc: Mid-west, U.S.A
Both good points.
1) J. I know you were being toung in cheek but I will address those issues anyway. I find people are usually are more conserned with the restraint to focus on attack. Plus the poseition is acward for the use of any weaponry, speach is possible but not likely to be of a directive nature due to the concern again about the restraint. Throws are possible but again acward, slopy, and outside of sacrifice throws not to effective. The best defense aginst this restraint is to avoid it, or throw a few elbows and go limp, dead weight. Of course in that instance the person applying the tequnque can go to a traditional LV neck restraint. Or if the hypothetical other "bad guys" are still around drop the fellow and see if he can take a fall

2) Cato,the Home Office does not aprove of the Lateral Vascular Neck restraint? There is a huge body of Literitureon this particular tequnique and except for a few things such as poor aplication, suspect being ill, or hopped up on something it is thought to be a "safe" tequniqe. Then again in my agency it is looked on as deadly force

#110215 - 03/07/04 12:54 PM Re: LV neck restraint variation
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Registered: 10/13/02
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As a rule of thumb we are told to never use restraints involving strangulation/choke techniques. The reasons are, I think, quite sound: potential for permanent serious injury/death and witness perception being foremost. Obviously if the situation is extremely serious then, to a certain extent, the ends justify the means; but there is no way the HO would shoulder any responsibility for a bobby strangling a DP.

Unfortunately the bottom line is that the point of teaching restraints etc. in the UK is to negate the need for the job to defend against litigation.



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