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#109373 - 11/01/03 05:19 PM Kiai's
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Does anyone have a reasonable amount of knowledge on kiai's they would like to share,I'm learning Shotokan karate and in that my teacher just teaches us to make as loud a sound as possible to increase the power of eg a punch but from the info ive read on the internet there are specific sounds, syllables etc to pronounce for different effects is this true?

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#109374 - 11/02/03 05:49 AM Re: Kiai's
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Ki = animation
Ai = harmony

Kiai = harmonising all the different ways that you can animate your mind and body.... A few lifetime's study for anyone! [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

The shout should be a spontaneous result of Kiai sometimes getting people to shout can produce a kind of Kiai....

I once asked my Sensei when do you Kiai in this Kata? He answered looking puzzled .... all of the time... [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

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#109375 - 11/07/03 09:16 PM Re: Kiai's
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The sound will vary from person to person. the kiai is the focus of energy at a single space-time point. The sound comes from an explosive emptying of the lings. It comes from the diaphram upwards. At the time of impact, you tense the muscles controling the blow, and the stomach, as it the the center of power for the body. This tightening of the stomach will pusj the diaphragm upwards, emptying the lungs. Since the chest and throat muscles should be relaxed, you get a short, violent expelling of air, resulting in a sound.

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#109376 - 11/08/03 02:43 PM Re: Kiai's
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Is there any specific method of relaxing the throat Ive never even been told to relax the throat but know it must be necessary as youve just described as i get a saw throat after my kiai I did a little research and noticed that they use a type of excercise in aikido for it, can anyone allaborate?

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#109377 - 11/10/03 12:18 PM Re: Kiai's
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by karate-do:
Is there any specific method of relaxing the throat Ive never even been told to relax the throat but know it must be necessary as youve just described as i get a saw throat after my kiai I did a little research and noticed that they use a type of excercise in aikido for it, can anyone allaborate?[/QUOTE]

It's not just the throat. It's being able to start from a totally relaxed stage and then tense only the muscles directly involved in the technique, leaving the others relaxed

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#109378 - 11/14/03 04:44 PM Re: Kiai's
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It's not just the throat. It's being able to start from a totally relaxed stage and then tense only the muscles directly involved in the technique, leaving the others relaxed

could you please elaborate on this canuckMA or anyone else like on methods of practicing relaxing the muscles involved in the technique?

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#109379 - 11/14/03 09:14 PM Re: Kiai's
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It's not practise, it's a matter of being relaxed when you train.

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#109380 - 11/28/03 01:16 PM Re: Kiai's
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does anyone know about fa jing is it a method if kiai'ing and is it a part of chinese boxing?

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#109381 - 11/29/03 02:35 AM Re: Kiai's
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Most Chinese Martial Artists I know find this term highly amusing as it means "shaking sexual energy" and to them means something quite rude. Some Martial Artists use the term to mean shaking the body and sending energy into the opponent.

I think Erle Montague a controversial Taiji Instructor from Australia made the term popular. The Chinese word that I learned for that was "Fa Geng".

[This message has been edited by Bossman (edited 11-29-2003).]

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#109382 - 11/29/03 02:21 PM Re: Kiai's
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bossman:
Most Chinese Martial Artists I know find this term highly amusing as it means "shaking sexual energy" and to them means something quite rude.
The Chinese word that I learned for that was "Fa Geng".

[This message has been edited by Bossman (edited 11-29-2003).]
[/QUOTE]

In that case, would you please tell me how I could develop my fa jing.

It's got to be cheaper than Viagra.

JohnL

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