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#108706 - 10/19/04 06:22 PM Re: Thoughts About Pressure Point KOs
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PP excecution in a controlled environment is the same as target practice on a fixed target. It is a hole different story trying to hit the bullseye on a moving target, especially a FAST moving target in the WILD!!!

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#108707 - 10/19/04 06:37 PM Re: Thoughts About Pressure Point KOs
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Sorry about the "HOLE" it should be whole.

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#108708 - 10/19/04 08:58 PM Re: Thoughts About Pressure Point KOs
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YOU can't hit them. YOU need more practice!

It's not that hard. Especially if you set them up in a combination or submission.

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#108709 - 10/20/04 06:51 AM Re: Thoughts About Pressure Point KOs
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Mark Hill , tell me a little more about your TRUE life experiances, since you are so "practiced" and able to set up and hit these tiny PP in a fast action REALLLLL scrap, and I don't mean SENSITIVE general areas of the HUMAN body.

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#108710 - 10/20/04 09:39 AM Re: Thoughts About Pressure Point KOs
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the idea that you need to pinpoint hits to use PP is crap.

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#108711 - 10/20/04 03:16 PM Re: Thoughts About Pressure Point KOs
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Kemp..
It all depends what your interpretation of PP is. Check out the acupuncture charts, and or pressure points charts, and tell me they art CRAP, as you put it.
You don't just aim or hit anywhere in any direction and stike a PP. It has to be on the money, Place - Angle - Force (after all you don't want to tickle the guy to death!)
Basicly you have to hit A POINT THAT IS SENSITIVE (THE MORE PRESICE THE BETTER)and I don't meant with a sowing needle eather as you seem to iterpret it.
GET REAL AND USE SOME COMMON SENSE INSTEAD OF COMMING TO YOUR CRAPY CONCLUSIONS

Now to come back to you Mark:
You said "Especially if you set them up in a combination or submission"
Fella, if you got them in a submission you don't need to go any further. If you set them up in a combination that is worth its oats, the adversary should be counting sheep.
See you boys in the movies

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#108712 - 10/20/04 05:35 PM Re: Thoughts About Pressure Point KOs
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So, no one can escape from your nightmare or s lock?

I can hit you with an awesome hand and foot combo, and it won't do crap if you clock the head punches and you have body conditioning. If I hit the PP's it will make a hell of a difference (no gloves of course).

If you can hit a focus mitt accurately and repeatedly in the same spot, you can hit a PP.

Thigh kicks are aimed at PP's all the time, often without people even knowing.

Hardly cross stitch!

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#108713 - 10/21/04 11:16 AM Re: Thoughts About Pressure Point KOs
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by George:
Kemp..
It all depends what your interpretation of PP is. Check out the acupuncture charts, and or pressure points charts, and tell me they art CRAP, as you put it.
You don't just aim or hit anywhere in any direction and stike a PP. It has to be on the money, Place - Angle - Force (after all you don't want to tickle the guy to death!)
Basicly you have to hit A POINT THAT IS SENSITIVE (THE MORE PRESICE THE BETTER)and I don't meant with a sowing needle eather as you seem to iterpret it.
GET REAL AND USE SOME COMMON SENSE INSTEAD OF COMMING TO YOUR CRAPY CONCLUSIONS

Now to come back to you Mark:
You said "Especially if you set them up in a combination or submission"
Fella, if you got them in a submission you don't need to go any further. If you set them up in a combination that is worth its oats, the adversary should be counting sheep.
See you boys in the movies
[/QUOTE]


I stated the " the idea that you need to pinpoint hits to use PP is crap." Meaning that those who state you can only activate point X by tapping it on a 45 degree angle to make it work IS FULL OF CRAP. I do not say needle, however once the chemical dump hits the blood the coordination to achieve small target hits and small joint manipulation is lost. Read about Body Alarm Reaction. I know many use this to refer to the reaction you look fr when doing a technique, but there is much more to it.
I trained with or have been to seminars by Oyatas group, Dillamns group, Patzi's KI, Muncy/Moneymakers group and what I have found is those who dwell too much on the rub / tap light touch knockouts tend to have techniques that fail once any resistance and intent is provided by the attacker.
I feel Oyatas group are the best at this, Muncy/ Moneymaker are in line with Oyatas group in application of concepts.

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#108714 - 11/02/04 03:10 PM Re: Thoughts About Pressure Point KOs
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In response to your initial question, yes getting hit on points is bad for you, and any MD should be able to tell you that. You're getting hit in nerves or arteries, which can be damaged like any superficial structure. I don't care if it's brachial plexus, spinal nerves, a vagus nerve or a caratoid artery, it is bad for you. Striking w/the fingertips or with one protruding knuckle decreases the surface area of the strike and increases the lbs/sq inch, making it more focused, more devastating to the structure taking the blow. Skip the next seminar..save your $ and take a gross anatomy class w/a cadavre, and you'll see firsthand what is being hit... you should know this from your physiology, but say striking the vagus nerve on the various neck points, will slow the heart, dialate the vessels, and increase productivity of the GI, which is why people often have upset stomachs or the craps after sustaining these blows. Oyata has damaged students and that's why he stopped.

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#108715 - 11/02/04 07:45 PM Re: Thoughts About Pressure Point KOs
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Registered: 01/25/03
Posts: 10818
Loc: North Carolina
Anybody remember when that news crew went into one of Dillman's high ranking students schools?

The small female reporter volunteered to have them try the PP KO on her.

It didn't work. They tried several times -- with the same results. Of course, it worked on HIS STUDENTS.


Then they went down the street to a BJJ school and tried it on the guys who were rolling there. It didn't work on ANY of them either.

This was all caught on film. I believe its now on Bullshido.

Interesting?


-John

[This message has been edited by JKogas (edited 11-02-2004).]

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