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#108590 - 09/10/04 11:24 PM Shu Points
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I have been involved in Kyusho for sometime and I'm looking for some good information on the Shu Points. Not the Shu Back (Transport or associated) points, but the Five Shu Points: Jing(well), Ying(spring), Sh(stream), Jing(river), & He(sea).

I have a good understanding of these points in healing and acupuncture, but was looking for uses related to Kyusho-jitsu.

I understand these special points take on elements other than the elements of the meridians they lie on, and was wondering if this could be used in any way? For example Heart meridian element Fire, H3 (Shaohai) is also He(sea) which is Water element, in the Cycle of Destruction Water puts out Fire.

Anyone have any ideas or theories?

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#108591 - 09/20/04 01:32 PM Re: Shu Points
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Anyone?

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#108592 - 09/24/04 08:37 AM Re: Shu Points
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Try Evan Pantazi's video on Mu and Shu points which you can get at Kyusho.com.

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#108593 - 09/24/04 02:00 PM Re: Shu Points
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Unfortunately Evan and I are not in good standing so I would never buy one of his videos. The Shu points in that video would be referring to the points found on the back along the Bladder meridian. The Mu (alarm) points and Shu (associated) points work together to send a direct short to the organ, but not what I'm looking for.

What I am looking for are the 5 Shu points that transport chi (ki) in and out of the arms and legs: Jing(well), Ying(spring), Shu(stream), Jing(river), & He(sea). And if there is any Kyusho related uses.

But thanks for taking a stab at it Underdog.

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#108594 - 09/25/04 11:31 AM Re: Shu Points
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In Erle's book it states "these points have a strong effect on the body when used either to heal or to disrupt and individuals energy patterns. These points can be used to disrupt qi flow in a channel in advance of a strike to major knockout or death strike point...."

But that is all I got..

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#108595 - 09/29/04 11:06 AM Re: Shu Points
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I may be able to provide some level of information to you...what is it specifically you are looking for. Post here or contact me directly....

Funny, Evan does not care for me either...so at least we have something in common!

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#108596 - 11/22/04 01:35 AM Re: Shu Points
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The 5 transporting Shu points can be used in combination with the controlling cycle of 5-phase theory. a common combination is p-6,H-7(fire) -> LI-10,11,Lu-5(metal) -> Gb20,SJ-23,Gb-1,Sj-17(wood).

the heart channel can be already influenced and not required to be stimulated if you can get they into a gokyo?? style move. the metal points can often buckle the knee on the side struck making the opponent expose Gb-20 for the KO.

hope the info helps, its kinda hard to apply the PP theories without a background knowledge of TCM theory such as Jingluo theory, 5-phase theory, 8 principles and the dynamics of Qi but the chinese found these principles through observation and awareness so you can too.

personally i've almost lost interest in using PP strikes, i believe that if you can control the opponent and not hurt them then you're much better off. if you can feel and control their energy then you dont have to hit em hard anyway.

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#108597 - 12/11/04 01:41 PM Re: Shu Points
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Kuma,

regardless of whether or not you like someone should not get in the way of your pursuit of knowledge. It is sort of like cutting off your nose to spite your face. I believe that we can learn from anyone. Putting aside our differences for education sake, is what makes us different from mere animals.

I am new to this forum. I look forward to learning from you all.

FB

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#108598 - 12/12/04 10:44 PM Re: Shu Points
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by fbettincourt:
regardless of whether or not you like someone should not get in the way of your pursuit of knowledge. [/QUOTE]
I don't believe I said anything about disliking anyone, I believe I said we are not in good standing.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by fbettincourt:
It is sort of like cutting off your nose to spite your face. [/QUOTE]
I have a lot of neat saying too. When you assume, you make an ASS of U and ME.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by fbettincourt:
I believe that we can learn from anyone. [/QUOTE]
I would have to say that this is the only thing you've said so far that I agree with.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by fbettincourt:
Putting aside our differences for education sake, is what makes us different from mere animals.[/QUOTE]
Actually it is are ability to reason and make choices that makes us different than the animals. If animals set aside their differences they would all starve to death.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by fbettincourt:
I am new to this forum. I look forward to learning from you all.[/QUOTE]
Welcome to the forum fbettincourt it's good to have you.

[This message has been edited by Kuma (edited 12-12-2004).]

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#108599 - 12/13/04 12:39 PM Re: Shu Points
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Kuma,

I think you missed my point. My point is that you say that you are not in good standing...so what. Does that mean that he has prohibited you from purchasing videos? If he has than that is not smart business. Or are you just upset at something that apparently happened between you that is stopping you in your search for knowledge?

Your post above just sounded juvenile. That is what I was pointing out. If you let things like this get in the way because of your attitude...then my friend, you are only hurting yourself...

God Bless!

FB

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