Yes need to say a lot more about the gorin, while the myth is this is an easy place to kick it isn't, one need only watch every man's reaction to see this. However SP 10 (at the knee) or SP 11 (mid thigh) are much better traget areas, and SP 11 opems right up when someone thinks you are going for the groin.

Try kicking someone in the groin and see for yourself a how difficult it is b that SP 11 is opened up.

More on GB 20 later

Try this, punch him in the face first and then kick him in the groin. That will work. The problem is not the target, but your telegraphed move. The groin is VERY easy to attack. In a couple of days I will have an example on my web site. Check out what I mean. There are many different ways to attack vital strike points besides the obvious.Ed www.lonewolfjujutsu.com

It's not a telegraphed move - it's instinct - anyway, I think it's easy to hit, if it isn't their legs are very vulnerable and are immoble (ala zenkutsu dachi)

Can you kick the groin; well of course you can with luck.
So I’ll smash his face them groin kick him isn’t a viable answer to the difficultly associated with groin kicks. As said it is natural instinctive to protect this region, however in protecting it we open up other and even better targets like SP11. SP 11 is on the thigh about mid way between the knee and crease – the method of activation is a hit (so a kick works) the angle and direction is straight through and it turns out (releases) the knee and places all the weight on the ankle.

SP 10 is just off the knee in a tender depression on the bulge of the vastus medialis muscle. This again is a great kick target 45 degrees down and in Locks knee, turns leg out, pops ankle

Don’t focus on the groin tale the points natural response provide you and biomechanics and TCM say will provide maximum effect .

I do agree distraction is always a good thing but if you can smash him in the face use you knowledge of PP and make sure that strike ends the fight

You must be one big mike tyson mother. I didn't know that you could drop a person with one punch. You must have balls of steel too. Well good for you. I hope you are never REALLY tested. But you did grasp my concept about distraction.
By the way what is all this sp shit. Does that mean sun protection. We don't use that in my style. Just curious so I can follow better what you are explaining. Ed

Ed
This is the pressure point section so I assumed you knew but lets cover it as an overview

Most people understand vital points – like the eyes for example. Pressure points or Kyusho are less known points on the body. Pressure points are used in the healing art of acupuncture to restore health. In Karate-Jitsu or Kyusho these same pressure points are touched, hit or rubbed to make techniques effective for fighting and self-defence.

What is a pressure point? A pressure point is a place on the body where a signal or message can be entered directly into the nervous system. Muscle and bone cannot feel pain, only nerves can feel pain. While blunt force trauma can be effective the reason is a message sent to the nervous system. The problem with blunt force trauma is not only does it require size and strength it also results in damage – bruises, broken bones and cuts. This damage, if severe enough, can cause permanent injury it also places us at risk because of the chance of infection resulting from exposure to open wounds such as cuts.

Pressure Points are not style specific; rather they enhance and can be applied to any art. As Professor Wally Jay states “Pressure point knowledge will enhance any martial arts style”

SP means Spleen, you will find people who study pressure points use the terms from TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine) this gives us a common language to use and when I for example say SP11 people would know the location of the point I was discussing

Yes I have dropped many people with a single strike using pressure points – they are the key to making may based art effective.

No my balls aren’t made of steel, but I have never been kick there in several years of bouncing and many years fighting in tournaments. Beside as I said not only is it instinctive to protect this area the correct angle and direction for a groin kick also make it difficult.

Ed,

This is the pressure point forum. Go peddle SCARS somewhere else.

Feel free to discuss pressure point here ad nauseum.

Scott

YK - as a newcomer to kyusho I found your last post particular informative, thank you [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG]

Budo

Glad you found it helpfull, it is all about sharing!

I agree, I've dropped opponents with a single strike before, and only a few times using pressure point strategy.

Then again, most people dont get up from an eye drive or a palm strike to the forehead/temple.