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#107469 - 04/04/05 09:15 PM Matsubayashi forms
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I found a website with mpegs of each form.

I'd appreciate your honest critique: http://matsubayashi-ryu.net/indexen.html

you may need to download the mpeg to your local disk first to view properly.


[This message has been edited by kara-atama (edited 04-04-2005).]

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#107470 - 04/05/05 08:11 PM Re: Matsubayashi forms
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Why do you ask?

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#107471 - 04/05/05 09:25 PM Re: Matsubayashi forms
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They are the only Matsubayashi kata mpegs I could find online and I was interested in hearing if people thought they are a good reference for these kata or not.

I've trained in Goju before, but recently started training in Shorin-Matsubayashi.

Your impression of Fukyugata-ichi and ni would be helpful.
Thanks in advance for your help.

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#107472 - 04/05/05 09:53 PM Re: Matsubayashi forms
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Sindt is okay. His movements are a little too "snappy" for me, but as a general reference his videos are okay. In my opinion there are actually very few Matsubayashi teachers who actually understand not only what should be done, but why. Who are you studying Matsubayashi with, I am currently a Sandan under Renshi Don Caponigro.

As far as impressions of the first two kata go, again, they are okay but don't try to learn from a video, learn from your sensei. A video of simple kata performance should only be a reference, not a guide.

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#107473 - 04/06/05 06:33 AM Re: Matsubayashi forms
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understood. thanks.

Nagamine->Ueshiro->Scaglione->Sensei

I only had Goju as a point of reference.
Having another point of reference (the mpegs) helps me. can I nit-pick?

I assume looking before turning in kata is universal but often forgotten?

There is a noticable delay in technique, as a kind of draaag then snap, draaaag-snap.
(also visible opening and closing hands)
Which both translate into a telegraph.

Forward stance in Matsubayashi during kata - is weight distribution 50/50? I'm taught 60/40 which makes stepping back and turning awkward.

Thanks in advance for your comments/thoughts.

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#107474 - 04/06/05 12:38 PM Re: Matsubayashi forms
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by kara-atama:
understood. thanks.

Nagamine->Ueshiro->Scaglione->Sensei

I only had Goju as a point of reference.
Having another point of reference (the mpegs) helps me. can I nit-pick?

I assume looking before turning in kata is universal but often forgotten?

There is a noticable delay in technique, as a kind of draaag then snap, draaaag-snap.
(also visible opening and closing hands)
Which both translate into a telegraph.

Forward stance in Matsubayashi during kata - is weight distribution 50/50? I'm taught 60/40 which makes stepping back and turning awkward.

Thanks in advance for your comments/thoughts.

[/QUOTE]


Zenkutsu should be 50/50.

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#107475 - 04/06/05 02:06 PM Re: Matsubayashi forms
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Thank-You.

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#107476 - 04/06/05 09:42 PM Re: Matsubayashi forms
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When thinking of stance thinking in percentage of weight on each foot in my opinion is not good. If you are talking about zenkutsu dachi the key is to make sure the length and width of the stance is correct. You also need to sink into your stance and don't "hold yourself up." Allow gravity take control and let your body "drop." If you focus on this then weight distribution on your feet is irrelevant. In fact in Nagamine's book he makes no mention of this weight distribution when he describes the different stances.

When turning in kata it is important to look, but not necessarily turning the head dramatically. Actually a less noticeable look can be better than turning your head 90+ degrees to see. Simply averting the eyes and focus is better.

Finally when looking at the video that Sindt did it is important to realize why he did it. I don't know, that is why it is hard to judge it, but he may have been trying to display technique. If this is true then it is easy to see why he does some of the things he does. I will just say that compared to only what he is doing, it is okay, but my matsubayashi is different.

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#107477 - 04/07/05 12:11 AM Re: Matsubayashi forms
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I see. Actually, I'm reading Nagamine's book now.

About technique, I have to remember, what I am learning went thru an additional Hanshi-Robert Scaglione. I'm not sure what specific mods he has done since Ueshiro, but I may be able to figure it out.

Right now, I'm just keeping an open mind.

I don't feel that I've been training here nearly as long as I need to be before approaching anyone with questions of differences I point out. Hence the self-research. Thanks again. I appreciate your help.
-Ed

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#107478 - 04/07/05 05:43 AM Re: Matsubayashi forms
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I have had a good look at Sensei Stindts kata clips and have the following comments -

1. For a reference they are superb and IMO technically very correct, I thought 'snappy' was an emphasis in matsubayashi?

2. Re the actual performance I think they are very good, obviously we all perform kata differently and have different emphasis on performance, the major thing is the lack of combinations the kata seem to be performed in single movements, maybee this is on purpose and correct? Another point is that i agree the head isnt moving at all before directional change, and it should just a little.

3. A real posative is the emphasis on stances, good to see height differences and correct posture.

I say well done to Sensei Stindt for having the balls to do this project and upload it to the net. It is easy to pick holes, but his ability seems greater than mine so I can learn and there is precious little else matsubayashi material to reference else, free of charge!

As another point I have recently got hold of Uchinadi vol 1 and 2 and SenseiToshihro Oshiro seems the real deal, really nice tapes and again recomended.

I express this view purley to stimulate discussion, I am only a year into study of matsubayashi however I do have nearly 20 years expierience in shito ryu/shukokai which are not dissimilair IMO.

Look forward to your comments

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