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#106079 - 08/13/04 02:45 AM Re: teaching myself with no books or master
senseilou Offline
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Registered: 10/14/02
Posts: 2082
Loc: Glendale, Az.
I don't want to get into "the good old days" but I have noticed generally speaking, that students want something but don't want to put in the time or sweat that it takes. Some of my students are the same way. They see what some of us do and they say "why can't I do that like you" The reason is simple, time in, and paying your dues. You really don't appreciate the process until you have been through it. Having class where Sensei had to carry you out from the dojo, because you exerted too much energy and are spent, being bounced around or having Sensei use you as his punching dummy. This dynamic can't happen by yourself-nor can it happen over night. There is one big secret in the martial arts, that is ......there is no secret. What it takes is devotion, an open mind, a willingness to suceed and the desire to get out there, train hard and do it to your best. Students who shortcut the process will never have what it takes to be a TRUE practioner. Nobody gets anywhere without hard work. One of the problems in todays society is the information is more readily available. In the late 60's and early 70's there were very few books and virtually no tapes(some 8mm)and not internet, so you had to find a Dojo and go to work. Now with technology(which can be an asset)being what it is, students look for the easy way out. Its a shame, but thats the way it is.

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#106080 - 08/14/04 10:42 PM Re: teaching myself with no books or master
Isshinryukid4life Offline
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Registered: 12/07/03
Posts: 2455
Loc: Knoxville.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by dongamongo:
does anyone believe the it would be possible to teach yourself. with no master. except you are your own master. No books no teacher... teach yourself. anything is possible. you pick up a stick start spining it. learn it. master it. pick up any weapon master it. move in ways like no other but like all others perfectly. who would believe him they would say impossible someone had to teach this guy there is no way he knows this. [/QUOTE]
Ok,I'm gonna be a little hard on you,But hopefully you'll take it like a man. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif[/IMG] ANyway,As for learning by yourself,I'd believe that to be more harmful as well as moronic. I fervently believe that learning from a certified instructor,Or even a boxing coach would be a better choice for you. However, If you would rather be a maverick & learn on your lonesome,Then that would surely prove that you're living in a fantasy world. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif[/IMG] ________________________________________ Peace be with you.


[This message has been edited by Isshinryukid4life (edited 08-15-2004).]

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#106081 - 08/18/04 05:54 PM Re: teaching myself with no books or master
Anonymous
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If that were true then becoming a brain surgeon would not require an education with books and teachers!



[This message has been edited by Shogan (edited 08-18-2004).]

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#106082 - 10/06/04 08:45 AM Re: teaching myself with no books or master
Anonymous
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I have a very strong point of view on this subject. I feel that 'martial arts' is the art of knowing your limits, and when you do, breaking those limits and becoming even stronger, not just in physical strength, but also your mental strength and stability.
I also think that one can only obtain mental stability once you know what you are capable of and also depending on how dedicated you are to the arts. I think the concept of people's opinions being right or wrong is absurd. I think that there are no right or wrong ways to practise the arts, just how well you know yourself. I know people will still stick to their guns on this one but my aim is to suggest a different overview where no-one opinion is right. As one of my senseis told me,'there are no right or wrong ways in which to do things, its just how you interpret the matter'.

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#106083 - 10/06/04 01:32 PM Re: teaching myself with no books or master
Anonymous
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stormdragon asked about the low level blackbelt and training.

that low level blackbelt became your sifu when you started taking instruction from him/her.

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#106084 - 10/06/04 01:43 PM Re: teaching myself with no books or master
Isshinryukid4life Offline
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Registered: 12/07/03
Posts: 2455
Loc: Knoxville.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ryu2004:
I have a very strong point of view on this subject. I feel that 'martial arts' is the art of knowing your limits, and when you do, breaking those limits and becoming even stronger, not just in physical strength, but also your mental strength and stability.
I also think that one can only obtain mental stability once you know what you are capable of and also depending on how dedicated you are to the arts. I think the concept of people's opinions being right or wrong is absurd. I think that there are no right or wrong ways to practise the arts, just how well you know yourself. I know people will still stick to their guns on this one but my aim is to suggest a different overview where no-one opinion is right. As one of my senseis told me,'there are no right or wrong ways in which to do things, its just how you interpret the matter'.
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( [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/confused.gif[/IMG] )

[This message has been edited by Isshinryukid4life (edited 10-06-2004).]

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#106085 - 10/13/04 11:58 AM Re: teaching myself with no books or master
Anonymous
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Hmm interesting thread well it depends to learn a martial art its my belief that having a guide to teach proper methods is neccasary but to learn Hand to hand combatives I would have to say no you dont need someone to teach you as its in every humans instincts to protect themselves you dont need flashy methods or some super secret kata to be effective it depends more on you mindset than your physical attributes

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#106086 - 02/02/05 12:00 AM Re: teaching myself with no books or master
Anonymous
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May I ask why?

Thank you

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#106087 - 02/13/05 01:43 PM Re: teaching myself with no books or master
Anonymous
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Listen, Dong. I taught myself how to shoot. And I got really good at it. I could hit any target... a legend in my own mind. But I never learned how to do 2 things of importance. 1) clean my gun and 2)hit moving targets. This wasn't learned until i had a friend show me. You need a coach, or you can overlook even the most simple things of necessity.
Boomer

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#106088 - 02/13/05 03:25 PM Re: teaching myself with no books or master
Anonymous
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On the one hand, Dong is obviously a moron.
Kid, you at least need someone to spar with.
If you don't like authoritive sensei, go to a combat sport gym.

On the other hand, it's revealing how everyone is attached to the idea of "good form" being handed down by a "master". Without "alive" training, "good form" is just as likely to be useless as whatever dong is doing.

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