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#105868 - 06/23/04 09:45 AM Free Style Kata Vs Standard Kata's
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I was just wondering which of the two you feal, shows off more of the participants skill level at a tourney. Personally I think the free style shows your skill better, cause its what you've come up with in x amount of weeks/days and you've supposed to perfect it already. As opposed to, having a form and studying with an instructor correcting all your movements. Also you are able to come up with unique moves to even further show off your understanding.

I was also wondering what you thought about free style forms set to music. Is it just a clever gimmic for the audience, or do you think that it's even harder than free style without music (just cause u got to keep up).

ALso what are your fave songs to do the forms too?

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#105869 - 06/23/04 10:33 AM Re: Free Style Kata Vs Standard Kata's
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by keyboardsamurai:
I was just wondering which of the two you feal, shows off more of the participants skill level at a tourney. Personally I think the free style shows your skill better, cause its what you've come up with in x amount of weeks/days and you've supposed to perfect it already. As opposed to, having a form and studying with an instructor correcting all your movements. Also you are able to come up with unique moves to even further show off your understanding.

I was also wondering what you thought about free style forms set to music. Is it just a clever gimmic for the audience, or do you think that it's even harder than free style without music (just cause u got to keep up).

ALso what are your fave songs to do the forms too?
[/QUOTE]

Sure, for tournaments only. It always makes me cringe when someone does a kata or demo to music, never liked it..but it seem more and more schools /dojo's do demo's that way to please the spectators. As for freestyle kata's, who cares long as you don't bring it in the dojo, it creates to many question from the other students and will drive your Sensei crazy.

[This message has been edited by schanne (edited 06-23-2004).]

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#105870 - 06/23/04 10:54 AM Re: Free Style Kata Vs Standard Kata's
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Originally posted by keyboardsamurai:
"I was just wondering which of the two you feal, shows off more of the participants skill level at a tourney. Personally I think the free style shows your skill better, cause its what you've come up with in x amount of weeks/days and you've supposed to perfect it already. As opposed to, having a form and studying with an instructor correcting all your movements. Also you are able to come up with unique moves to even further show off your understanding."

The freestyle kata i have seen at tournemants have all been about being flashy. It reminds me more of gymnastics. It does not show you have a great understanding. It just shows you are a good GYMNAST. I dont consider these to be kata. Maybe im wrong, but i dont think a great amount of study goes into the application...

I was also wondering what you thought about free style forms set to music. Is it just a clever gimmic for the audience, or do you think that it's even harder than free style without music (just cause u got to keep up).

clever definately not, gimic yes.

ALso what are your fave songs to do the forms too?

ummm...who let the dogs out??

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#105871 - 06/23/04 11:17 AM Re: Free Style Kata Vs Standard Kata's
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Original post:
"I was just wondering which of the two you feal, shows off more of the participants skill level at a tourney. Personally I think the free style shows your skill better, cause its what you've come up with in x amount of weeks/days and you've supposed to perfect it already. As opposed to, having a form and studying with an instructor correcting all your movements. Also you are able to come up with unique moves to even further show off your understanding."

I believe that tournament kata such as this has no value at all. All these kata show is the persons ability to be a good gymnast as stated before. We need to make sure that our students have a basic understanding of the traditional katas before they go about making up there own. Ask a competitor at a tournament what the bunkai to the traditional kata they are performing is and I bet 75% of the time you will not get an answer at all. Before we go making up our own forms let's perfect and study the ones before us.

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#105872 - 06/23/04 11:40 AM Re: Free Style Kata Vs Standard Kata's
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Traditional kata definitely shows off more skill freestyle shows what you know traditional kata shows what you don't know. If you make up a form you can always leave out the techniques that you are poor at but with traditional kata you have to work through your weaknesses. I think for me the perfection of Naihanchi is one of the most difficult tasks that exist in the martial arts, to perform those satnces perfectly with stone solid and stone still legs with no knee movement and to still perform the hand techniques with good hip and sharpness that would show higher skill level than anything I could make up.

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#105873 - 06/23/04 12:21 PM Re: Free Style Kata Vs Standard Kata's
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Bah. I wish general bowel discomfort on the inventor of kata competition, point sparring, and musical forms.

And that power ranger who founded the xma. I hope he gets anal warts at some point.

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#105874 - 06/23/04 12:48 PM Re: Free Style Kata Vs Standard Kata's
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Stampede:
Bah. I wish general bowel discomfort on the inventor of kata competition, point sparring, and musical forms.

And that power ranger who founded the xma. I hope he gets anal warts at some point.
[/QUOTE]

There is nothing wrong with it as long as you realize it is a seperate sport and not really karate-do. It is a game that uses some of the most basic karate techniques.

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#105875 - 06/23/04 01:28 PM Re: Free Style Kata Vs Standard Kata's
chinto01 Offline
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Well now we have opened a can of worms. I also feel that tournaments in general are no good for the martial arts. Tournaments go against mostly everything that the martial arts stands for especially the theory of no first strike.

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#105876 - 06/23/04 02:16 PM Re: Free Style Kata Vs Standard Kata's
schanne Offline
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by chinto01:
Well now we have opened a can of worms. I also feel that tournaments in general are no good for the martial arts. Tournaments go against mostly everything that the martial arts stands for especially the theory of no first strike. [/QUOTE]

Nothing wrong with tournaments long as you seperate the quality time you spend in the dojo and the time you spend practicing your tourament stuff. This has been previously debated and is on other forums. EOM

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#105877 - 06/23/04 03:24 PM Re: Free Style Kata Vs Standard Kata's
Stampede Offline
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Loc: El Dorado, AR
[QUOTE]Originally posted by chinto01:
the theory of no first strike. [/QUOTE]


A bit OT, but . . .

Generally speaking, the rule of No First Strike is a note on social interaction as opposed to fighting. It means to not look for trouble, or not to start trouble. Doesn't rule out bustin' someone in the chops if they're gettin' ready to fug you up.

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