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#105638 - 05/01/04 04:36 AM Re: Announcing the kata
Victor Smith Offline
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Registered: 06/01/00
Posts: 3220
Loc: Derry, NH
Hi,

I assume you're discussing how to announce the kata for competition. [By Announce I'm referring to both the words and the choice of opening movements involved.]

First you must find out if the tournament or group involved has a preference as to what competitors do. Likewise some schools train their students in a specific form of announcement, perhaps as a trademark of their students.

I've seen people win who don't announce their kata at all and let their actual performance do the speaking. I've seen people just announce the name of their kata. Some go into more detail and more elaborate choice of openings.

Personally I don't think the manner one does it makes any difference as long as the announcement doesn't overshadow the kata itself.

Victot Smith
Bushi No Te Isshinryu

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#105639 - 05/01/04 12:48 PM Re: Re: Announcing the kata
Isshinryukid4life Offline
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Registered: 12/07/03
Posts: 2455
Loc: Knoxville.
I've seen people win who don't announce their kata at all and let their actual performance do the speaking. I've seen people just announce the name of their kata. Some go into more detail and more elaborate choice of openings.

I've seen ppl anounce the wrong kata & win. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/confused.gif[/IMG]

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#105640 - 05/02/04 04:12 AM Re: Re: Announcing the kata
Wado-AJ Offline
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Registered: 04/28/04
Posts: 112
Loc: gorinchem, Holland
i think it is proper to do so after the bow. When you assume shizentai (yohi) is a a type of kamae wich indicates that you have started the fight.

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#105641 - 06/12/04 06:07 PM Re: Re: Announcing the kata
shushin Offline
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Registered: 06/12/04
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according to the WKF, competitors should bow, announce the kata name then take up the prescribed stance

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#105642 - 06/14/04 01:59 PM Re: Re: Announcing the kata
sunspots Offline
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In my school we enter the ring, approach and pay respects to the judges. Then we state our name, our school name and the kata we will perform, and ask permission to begin. When it is given, we take an appropriate number of steps backward, never turning our backs to the judges, give our salutation as the opening to the kata, and begin. We end with the same salutation, and either wait at attention for the scores or back out of the ring, depending on how each tournament is being run. (Sometimes they score each person separately, and sometimes they allow 3 preformances, and then give scores to those three, and so on.)

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#105643 - 06/14/04 03:25 PM Re: Re: Announcing the kata
schanne Offline
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Registered: 02/18/04
Posts: 4370
Loc: Woodbury NJ
And the winner is........Sunspots!!!!!!!!!!!

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#105644 - 06/15/04 12:00 PM Re: Re: Announcing the kata
JohnL Offline
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Registered: 03/24/03
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by sunspots:
In my school we enter the ring, approach and pay respects to the judges. Then we state our name, our school name and the kata we will perform, and ask permission to begin. When it is given, we take an appropriate number of steps backward, never turning our backs to the judges, give our salutation as the opening to the kata, and begin. We end with the same salutation, and either wait at attention for the scores or back out of the ring, depending on how each tournament is being run. (Sometimes they score each person separately, and sometimes they allow 3 preformances, and then give scores to those three, and so on.) [/QUOTE]

When I'm judging kata at competitions, all I want to hear from the contestant is what kata they are going to do.

Things that realy put me off before the performance even begins (in no particular order of hatred) are:

(And all of these have happened.)

1. The guy telling me his name. (I don't want to know it.

2. The guy telling me which school he represents. (I couldn't care less)

3. The guy telling me the complete history of his style and the kata's numerous origins according to him and asking me to confirm I accept his historical protocols before he will perform.

4. A guy creeping around the full perimeter of the arena with his back straight and legs bent as if he was about to lay an egg.

5. A series of deep breathing exercises that make him sound like an ageing astmatic, working himself into a frenzy before he's even told me the kata he's going to do.

6. If he kneels down and starts taking off his gi top and then spends 5 minutes with some pseudo-ritualistic folding exercise, I know the performance is going to be crap. Once he's finished folding the gi and laying it to one side, I'm so bored I pay no more attention.

7. If the guy walks to within 6 inches of my face, looks past me, and then yells his kata name out at 120 decibels, I'm just as likely to smack him as give him a low score.

8. People who speak what must be a whole paragraph of Japanese. (At least it's meant to be) When this happened I asked the guy if he could translate what he had just said into english (Hey, I don't understand Japanese) at which point he said he didn't know Japanese and didn't know whatr he had said. While the guy was waiting in the middle of the arena I asked for his instructor who came over, and when asked for a translation, he couldn't provide it either. He also confessed that it wasn't Japanese but just sounded good so he taught it [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG]

So, if I'm ever judging you in a Kata competition, I expect the following;

1. Bow and walk onto the arena from the opposite side of the head judge. (You don't have to bow to the guy who's just performed before you.

2. Walk to where you want to start your kata from.

3. Bow

4. Announce clearly the kata you intend to perform. (I don't mind if 4 & 5 are swapped in order)

5. Go into the appropriate ready stance (Yoi)

6. Perform your kata.

7. Return to attention and bow.

8. Wait for your score and then back out of the arena.

Simple really.

JohnL

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#105645 - 06/15/04 02:04 PM Re: Re: Announcing the kata
schanne Offline
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Registered: 02/18/04
Posts: 4370
Loc: Woodbury NJ
John, We were always tought that it was proper ettiquete in any MA when gretting another MA to introduce yourself, your Dojo and your intension. Your intention of course in the tournament would be the Kata.I do agree that all the other stuff is BS, your post made me LOL, I too have judged many tournaments and can relate, thier are some real characters in the tournament circle.

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#105646 - 06/25/04 08:40 AM Re: Re: Announcing the kata
Anonymous
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My dojo teaches the following (www.streetdefense.com)

1. If holding a weapon have free hand pointing out to the side (in a spear form).

2. While standing ask the judges permission to enter the ring or mat (whatever ur using)

3. When permission is givin, bow

4. Walk up to the judges stand 3 feet from the judges.

5. Get into horse stance while holding your weapon of choice out for the judges.

6. State your name, your dojo and the kata you are performing.

7. Ask permission to begin Kata, Bow and step back

8. Begin Kata

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#105647 - 06/25/04 10:31 AM Re: Re: Announcing the kata
sunspots Offline
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Registered: 05/02/03
Posts: 650
Loc: Southern Oregon, USA
On some occasions, I have also presented my weapon to the juudges for inspection, as the rules have required it. (Safety thing, they want to make sure things are not falling apart, having loose grips, etc.) In this case I take a step forward if needed, be sure my blade is facing away from the judges, and drop to one knee to present it. When it is returned, I proceed as usual to begin the form.

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