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#105352 - 02/26/04 09:12 PM Re: Kata has no use in a real situation!!!!!!!!!!
joesixpack Offline
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Registered: 02/04/02
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What kind of self defense moves are contained in your kata - escapes from chokes, throws, finishing moves, locks, or the one step sparring crap rearranged?

Bruce Lee certainly would have been a better martail artist and fighter if he practiced Koryu kata practice. He thought he didn't need grappling, but Gene Le Belle changed that idea.

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#105353 - 02/27/04 03:53 AM Re: Kata has no use in a real situation!!!!!!!!!!
Raul Perez Offline
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Brian Mullen:
Raul thank you for your input, but not trying to sound "ignorant". If Kata is so important in teaching a person how to fight, then why don't Boxers or Muay Thai fighters have Kata.

Im not saying that Kata does not have its place, Im saying it wont teach you how to be a fighter!!
[/QUOTE]

Brian, Brian, Brian....

did you honestly read my entire post or did you skim?

Raul

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#105354 - 02/27/04 07:12 AM Re: Kata has no use in a real situation!!!!!!!!!!
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[This message has been edited by PETER (edited 03-09-2004).]

[This message has been edited by PETER (edited 03-09-2004).]

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#105355 - 02/27/04 08:52 AM Re: Kata has no use in a real situation!!!!!!!!!!
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Sorry, but you need to practice Kata. No one ever said it was for defense. Any true Martial Artist will agree. Bruce Lee? Please do some research and read what our true MA ancestor have to say about Kata. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif[/IMG]


Bonzai

[This message has been edited by schanne (edited 02-27-2004).]

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#105356 - 02/27/04 09:56 AM Re: Kata has no use in a real situation!!!!!!!!!!
Brian Mullen Offline
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by schanne:
Sorry, but you need to practice Kata. No one ever said it was for defense. Any true Martial Artist will agree. Bruce Lee? Please do some research and read what our true MA ancestor have to say about Kata. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif[/IMG]


Bonzai

Bruce lee only lost one fight his whole life,and that was before he became a martial artist. Probly the best Martial artist/fighter in our time!!!!


[This message has been edited by schanne (edited 02-27-2004).]
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Kata is the essance of combat. Each technique not only hurts, disrubts, etc.
but also sets your opponent up for the next move. when you think of kata you can
think of it as a template of combat techniques, and strategies. If the Bunkai you learn is sh*t than I agree with you, but when you learn life preservation Bunkai it is totally different. The kata gives you the oppertunity to defend or attack then from there you have the ability to take the lead.

Now this makes total sense to me, Thank you,

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#105357 - 02/27/04 12:57 PM Re: Kata has no use in a real situation!!!!!!!!!!
goldencrane Offline
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Simply put Kata will make you a better Fighter. It won't do it by itself.

Brian I see that you are obviously a Bruce Lee fan. We all are in our own way, ( although he was not and is not GOD ). If you dig a little deeper in your "Bruce Lee history" you would know that even he was a "kata guy" as you put it! It was'nt untill he mastered his art that he started disecting it!!!

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#105358 - 02/27/04 02:36 PM Re: Kata has no use in a real situation!!!!!!!!!!
Bossman Offline
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Quote: >>ButI say again if Kata was so important to be a great fighter then Bruce Lee would have held it in higher regard.<<

It's a wind up - right [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

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#105359 - 02/27/04 04:11 PM Re: Kata has no use in a real situation!!!!!!!!!!
Isshinryukid4life Offline
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Registered: 12/07/03
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Brian, This is not an insult.But Im curious to know How long have you been in the MA? =====================================Rgrds Sensei Rhodes. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG]

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#105360 - 02/28/04 12:21 PM Re: Kata has no use in a real situation!!!!!!!!!!
Brian Mullen Offline
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Registered: 02/25/04
Posts: 60
Loc: kcks USA
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Isshinryukid4life:
Brian, This is not an insult.But Im curious to know How long have you been in the MA? =====================================Rgrds Sensei Rhodes. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Right around 10 months. Judging by the response that I have gotten on this post, It is obvious that I have ALOT to learn [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG]

Thank you all for your input, Anymore would be appreciated!!!

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#105361 - 03/01/04 01:55 AM Re: Kata has no use in a real situation!!!!!!!!!!
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Don't let them bully you brian. You are correct, to be a fighter you do not need kata.
To be a Martial Artist or stylist, yes,you need kata.

Kata can be worthwile, if you understand it, if you have a teacher who understands it.
There is value in kata, I still dislike them tho'.

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