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#103971 - 05/06/04 07:26 PM Re: Do tournaments hurt martial arts?
KarateDude Offline
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would this tourny be the Ging Wu Martial Arts Association International Championships? cuz i was ther last saturday

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#103972 - 05/07/04 02:55 PM Re: Do tournaments hurt martial arts?
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I was talking about the WKF Eastern European Championships a few years ago in Romania.

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#103973 - 05/07/04 04:23 PM Re: Do tournaments hurt martial arts?
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[QUOTE] Why is it that those aspects matter so much? [/QUOTE]

because the instructor can probably keep his student happy and interested therefore the keep the money rolling in.
I hate this and it HAS put me right of the semi contact fighting. And entering Kata. I saw a two dan grades, a 3rd and a 5th compete at kata. one did a kanku kata another did a made up kata (In a traditional kata catagorie) the made up kata looked more flashy high kicks pumping kicks and loud kias. he won.
It really disheartens me.

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#103974 - 05/07/04 04:32 PM Re: Do tournaments hurt martial arts?
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The question I have is why is a 5th Dan still competing, shouldn't that take between 25 to 35 years to achieve, wouldn't the guy be between 45 and 55?

[This message has been edited by WADO (edited 05-07-2004).]

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#103975 - 05/11/04 01:20 PM Re: Do tournaments hurt martial arts?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by WADO:
The question I have is why is a 5th Dan still competing, shouldn't that take between 25 to 35 years to achieve, wouldn't the guy be between 45 and 55?

[This message has been edited by WADO (edited 05-07-2004).]
[/QUOTE]

Sharon, ageed, after you have attained your second or higher it really isn't fair to compete anymore. They should have a catagory for masters but most don't compete anyway.The only thing the Masters/Sensei's should be doing is demonstrations.

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#103976 - 05/11/04 05:15 PM Re: Do tournaments hurt martial arts?
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why shouldnt masters compete? If they want to, fine. i respect those that have attained the3 rank to have the title master. but it is just a rank, same as yellow and green. In tournaments it is the skill that matters, not the rank. in the last tournament I was at i watched a very talented 2nd dan get beat by a phenom green belt. (the green belt was given a 2 pt lead.) and as far the changing kata idea. alot of tournaments have a division for tradtional forms and open forms. The fancied up showy forms belong in open division the tradtional competitors should not have to compete with the fancied up katas.

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#103977 - 05/12/04 12:00 PM Re: Do tournaments hurt martial arts?
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When you look at martial arts tournaments really you need to think of them as a sport seperate from martial arts training. The skills in martial arts make competition better but I think if people keep competition seperate and see it as a means of improving, footwork, timing, endurance and speed and less as an end to training this discussion is unnecessary. Two other benefits of training are the ability to act under stress, fine motor skills are extremly difficult to use in a stressfull situation, so a little bit they teach you what techniques actually work under stress. Second they give a goal to training Psychologically deadlines focus the mind, the give you something short term to shoot for, for those who see tournaments as the goal of training that is thier problem not ours, and who knows they may have a lot of fun competing. For me I would think a 5th Dan would gain more from teaching and coaching than competing, it's really fun when your students do well.

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#103978 - 05/12/04 01:08 PM Re: Do tournaments hurt martial arts?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by schanne:
Sharon, ageed, after you have attained your second or higher it really isn't fair to compete anymore. They should have a catagory for masters but most don't compete anyway.The only thing the Masters/Sensei's should be doing is demonstrations.[/QUOTE]


lol Schanne, WADO is a guy, I am wadowoman [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]
Sharon

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#103979 - 05/13/04 12:10 PM Re: Do tournaments hurt martial arts?
schanne Offline
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by still wadowoman:

lol Schanne, WADO is a guy, I am wadowoman [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]
Sharon
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[IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/redface.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/redface.gif[/IMG]

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#103980 - 05/13/04 07:27 PM Re: Do tournaments hurt martial arts?
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Excellent answer. [QUOTE]Originally posted by schanne:
Tournaments are an escape from the reality of MA. Some instructors push thier students in that direction and some frown upon them. The bottom line is ...there fun, no more no less. There is nothing wrong with competing outside your dojo and having your own kata's ect. LONG AS YOU COME BACK TO REALITY WHEN YOU STEP BACK INTO YOUR DOJO. Remember it's just a tournament, a place for MA's to gather and have a good time...why sound so gloomy about it? [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]

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