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#103884 - 08/27/04 02:39 AM Re: How do you deal with a charging bull?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by JohnL:
You haven't quite got the idea have you ShorinRyuMatt.

By stepping in you have just added more power to the bulls impact. See my first response on this thread for the secret technique needed for dealing with bulls.

JohnL
[/QUOTE]

in taekwondo, stepping in would be just right..as the bull aims to kick u..u step in, closing the distance. therefore his feet is now too close to kick u..no score

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#103885 - 08/27/04 02:44 AM Re: How do you deal with a charging bull?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by seeker of truth:
my sensei was talking with suzuki sensei once about the bull that oyama killed,he said yes he did kill the bull,but it was a very old bull,i think the asian people in general have different thoughts on animals,we might think things cruel that they dont,personaly i dont like cruelty to animals it says a lot about the state of your country. i read the big oyama book ,and i think as you progress you realise what a lot of it is about and what can be acheived through regular dilligent training,one thought i had was that i read somewhere bulls legs at the back are longer than there front ones,so run down hill away from the bull and it will fall over,i havent tested this theory,but its in the back of my mind if the situation arises. the only thing i can think of when fighting a guy bigger or as big as you is take the fingers and dont use power against power, also use your head,or run away,a nd live to fight another day,so there you go pick that to bits [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG] [/QUOTE]

hi
im frm asia..and oyama killing the bull is cruel..and we're not all cold-hearted. abt the downhill bull thing yeah..i heard it before too...
u can lead a cow up stairs but not down the stairs....

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#103886 - 09/07/04 11:51 PM Re: How do you deal with a charging bull?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by JohnL:
Stand by a brick wall.

When he charges, shout, "Toro" and side step.

Let the bull charge the wall.

JohnL

[This message has been edited by JohnL (edited 12-14-2003).]
[/QUOTE]


You forgot the red cape, John. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif[/IMG]

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#103887 - 09/12/04 10:14 AM Re: How do you deal with a charging bull?
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[This message has been edited by MAGon (edited 09-14-2004).]

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#103888 - 09/12/04 10:20 AM Re: How do you deal with a charging bull?
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[This message has been edited by MAGon (edited 09-14-2004).]

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#103889 - 09/12/04 10:25 AM Re: How do you deal with a charging bull?
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#103890 - 09/12/04 10:31 AM Re: How do you deal with a charging bull?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by MAGon:

You forgot the red cape, John. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif[/IMG]
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by NomindNotrouble:
Ok, I'll set the background. I'm about 195lbs at 5'11''. I've taken judo, Brazilian jujitsu, tkd, kungfu, and a few other arts. I'm not much to sneeze at and I knw my stuff. My buddy does the pretty much the same but with only one differece between us, he's built solid like a mac truck. When we spar against each other its more like a hight speed chase. I had plenty of people say that I should stand my ground and use tatics, while they simply do the same. He's very intimidating. So question is how do you deal with your mack trucks? I don't want to hear from mack trucks themelves because I already know you have an advantage. I want to hear from others who dealt with them? How do you deal with a charging bull?[/QUOTE]

Seriously, now, I posted the following in a thread entitled "Skill vs. Strength" in the self- defense forum. It somewhat describes what sort of works for me when dealing with "Mack trucks".
P.S.: It also sorta says what DOESN'T work for me. So much for mindlessly standing your ground!:
"I have to agree with John on this. I can't offer an example from "street" fighting, but here's a personal anecdote: My sensei (Shotokan) was very firendly with, and respectful of, another sensei of the Kajukenbo style. So much so that for Dan tests all judansha from both dojos participated in the fighting part of the test (Full contact, no gear).
I first met Dave, one of the Kajukenbo sensei's students, during his test for shodan. He's about my height, at 6'2", and at the time weighed in at 210#, compared to my 175# soaking wet. While at that skill level, he would give me a good fight, but didn't prove to be especially troublesome. In fact, for fun I'd go toe to toe with him, just slogging away. He packed a punch, but not enough to deter me. And then the years passed...
When Dave tested for his sandan, I was once again paired with him. By then he was up to a buff 230#, me still 175# soaking wet. I went into the fight thinking that what worked before ought to work always... A half swollen shut eye and double vision one minute into the fight showed me different. Not only was the guy more powerful by then, his technique had much improved. I learned the hard way that the toe to toe business was out at least where Dave was concerned. I learned to fight him by moving around just out of reach and countering when he became impatient and overextended himself in trying to hit me (Not always possible in a street scenario).
To this day, I can fight Dave to a draw in the dojo (We're both old f*rts by now, so we usually succeed in not hurting each other, which wasn't always the case from Dave's sandan test onward). But if we were younger guys still coming up it would probably be the case that his technique would improve to the point that he'd defeat me. In a street fight, I think he'd win, even though he'd sustain a goodly amount of damage."

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#103891 - 09/12/04 10:42 AM Re: How do you deal with a charging bull?
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[This message has been edited by MAGon (edited 09-14-2004).]

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#103892 - 10/01/04 01:31 PM Re: How do you deal with a charging bull?
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in response to the main topic, sit back and rock him with a side kick to knock the wind out of him. Or step to the side and kick him to the solar plexis with a roundhouse to knock the wind out of him. Granted this will only work a couple of times, but he will think twice about charging at you again, or he will get angry and become very sloppy.

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#103893 - 10/21/04 11:45 PM Re: How do you deal with a charging bull?
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When a big guy charges at you it may be good to just stick out a side kick. The guy will run into it and it WILL hurt him.

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