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#103874 - 06/14/04 08:04 AM Re: How do you deal with a charging bull?
JohnL Offline
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Registered: 03/24/03
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No, I'm far too old to let idiots bother me.

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#103875 - 06/16/04 08:50 AM Re: How do you deal with a charging bull?
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Lol @ JohnL

I'm late on this thread but have been informed by a sensei way back that Oyama's "bull" was a bull calf. The have a bone apparently in the skull that is soft for some time much like human babies. Accoring to this chap (on what he based this all I have no knowledge) said animal was stationary at the time. Am only putting this on to fuel an already fatuous thread [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG]

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#103876 - 06/17/04 04:55 PM Re: How do you deal with a charging bull?
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that pour pathetic tiger story sounded like a version of the one in the christian bible, i find it equally stupid.you have too much time on your hands if your reading this sort of b******t.honestly.that tiger probably just dropped dead of starvation.

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#103877 - 06/17/04 07:59 PM Re: How do you deal with a charging bull?
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I assume you are referring to my recounting of Yamaguchi's meeting with a tiger.

You obviously missed my skeptical tone. I read and was impressed with that story when I was 16. I am 32 now and far too old to believe in the myths and parlor tricks that people associate with the martial arts.

And you're correct. At 16 I probably did have too much time on my hands [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG]

David

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#103878 - 06/18/04 11:25 AM Re: How do you deal with a charging bull?
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I read a story that Davey Crocket killed a black bear with a bouey knife it's in his autobiography and it was supposed to be an adult female bear. I saw a documentary about massai kids who have to kill a lion with a separ on their 16th birthday. The one thing these people all seem to have in common is a weapon of some kind. I don't think it is likely a person could kill a tiger without some kind of weapon.

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#103879 - 07/07/04 01:45 AM Re: How do you deal with a charging bull?
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first round tko, best post I've read in a really long time. I will have to call PETA however. My mom told me to.

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#103880 - 07/07/04 01:51 AM Re: How do you deal with a charging bull?
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ummm it is true JohnL, Sosai Mas Oyama has killed many bulls using Karate techniques, and Gene Lebelle use 2 wrestle bears!!!!!

proper technique can defeat weight and strength!!!!!!!

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#103881 - 07/07/04 12:17 PM Re: How do you deal with a charging bull?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by warrior_james:
ummm it is true JohnL, Sosai Mas Oyama has killed many bulls using Karate techniques, and Gene Lebelle use 2 wrestle bears!!!!!

proper technique can defeat weight and strength!!!!!!!
[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately, despite being a strong karateka who no doubt enjoyed a good bit of contact in his karate, Mas Oyama's stories have now been exagerated out of all proportion to his abilities.

If ANYONE were to attempt meetin a full sized, pissed off bull, head on. They're toast!

The fact that you believe the legends means that you've given up thinking.

JohnL

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#103882 - 07/07/04 05:26 PM Re: How do you deal with a charging bull?
mark Offline
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Registered: 03/04/03
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i killed a rabbit once with a full power front kick...dont know if that helps [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif[/IMG]

But i wouldnt fight the "fluffy bunny" in Monty python and the holy grail, those nasty sharp pointy teeth can be jolly dangerous.

mark

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#103883 - 07/07/04 09:58 PM Re: How do you deal with a charging bull?
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Back to the orginal question "how do you deal with a charging bull"

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kotetsu:
Tomoe-nage. This is my personal preference to this and arguably the easiest one to execute.[/QUOTE]

I think not... Tomoe-Nage requires one to fully commit to the technique. If your timing isn't perfect, and your opponent is aware of the counter to this technique, you are instantly caught in a VERY bad situation... on your back with a larger person standing over you.

Perhaps Sasae Ashi would be a better idea. Even if you cant execute the sweep, your stepping out of the way, so your not taking any damage from the opponent

[This message has been edited by DanzanRyu (edited 07-08-2004).]

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