No, I'm far too old to let idiots bother me.

JohnL

Lol @ JohnL

I'm late on this thread but have been informed by a sensei way back that Oyama's "bull" was a bull calf. The have a bone apparently in the skull that is soft for some time much like human babies. Accoring to this chap (on what he based this all I have no knowledge) said animal was stationary at the time. Am only putting this on to fuel an already fatuous thread [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG]

that pour pathetic tiger story sounded like a version of the one in the christian bible, i find it equally stupid.you have too much time on your hands if your reading this sort of b******t.honestly.that tiger probably just dropped dead of starvation.

I assume you are referring to my recounting of Yamaguchi's meeting with a tiger.

You obviously missed my skeptical tone. I read and was impressed with that story when I was 16. I am 32 now and far too old to believe in the myths and parlor tricks that people associate with the martial arts.

And you're correct. At 16 I probably did have too much time on my hands [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG]

David

I read a story that Davey Crocket killed a black bear with a bouey knife it's in his autobiography and it was supposed to be an adult female bear. I saw a documentary about massai kids who have to kill a lion with a separ on their 16th birthday. The one thing these people all seem to have in common is a weapon of some kind. I don't think it is likely a person could kill a tiger without some kind of weapon.

first round tko, best post I've read in a really long time. I will have to call PETA however. My mom told me to.

ummm it is true JohnL, Sosai Mas Oyama has killed many bulls using Karate techniques, and Gene Lebelle use 2 wrestle bears!!!!!

proper technique can defeat weight and strength!!!!!!!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by warrior_james:
ummm it is true JohnL, Sosai Mas Oyama has killed many bulls using Karate techniques, and Gene Lebelle use 2 wrestle bears!!!!!

proper technique can defeat weight and strength!!!!!!![/QUOTE]

Unfortunately, despite being a strong karateka who no doubt enjoyed a good bit of contact in his karate, Mas Oyama's stories have now been exagerated out of all proportion to his abilities.

If ANYONE were to attempt meetin a full sized, pissed off bull, head on. They're toast!

The fact that you believe the legends means that you've given up thinking.

JohnL

i killed a rabbit once with a full power front kick...dont know if that helps [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif[/IMG]

But i wouldnt fight the "fluffy bunny" in Monty python and the holy grail, those nasty sharp pointy teeth can be jolly dangerous.

mark

Back to the orginal question "how do you deal with a charging bull"

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kotetsu:
Tomoe-nage. This is my personal preference to this and arguably the easiest one to execute.[/QUOTE]

I think not... Tomoe-Nage requires one to fully commit to the technique. If your timing isn't perfect, and your opponent is aware of the counter to this technique, you are instantly caught in a VERY bad situation... on your back with a larger person standing over you.

Perhaps Sasae Ashi would be a better idea. Even if you cant execute the sweep, your stepping out of the way, so your not taking any damage from the opponent

[This message has been edited by DanzanRyu (edited 07-08-2004).]