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#103854 - 01/24/04 10:16 AM Re: How do you deal with a charging bull?
karate-do Offline
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the bigger the thing you hit the stronger neck muscles and less itl move plus if its running at you its easier. and they dont breathe deeply for a minute before they do it either

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#103855 - 01/26/04 07:56 AM Re: How do you deal with a charging bull?
JohnL Offline
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by karate-do:
I was not talking about oyama and you shouldnt immediately dismiss what i say as crap because it sounds incredible it takes 1600kg of pressure to smash a coconut into tiny pieces with a single blow ive seen many people do this as many are able to and if you look into it you will be able to watch some footage of it aswell, some people at the world championships in america did it which was shown on the discovery channel not long ago, take into acount that a human skull for instance takes just 1400kg of pressure then you can imagine how easily they can just smash through them now a bulls head will be stronger but not a lot i dont think it is that unreasonable if you look into it, a correct strike can shatter through skulls quite easily[/QUOTE]

You say where and when, I'll rent the bull. We both put $5000 in a hat, if you kill the bull with one blow when it charges you, you win.

JohnL

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#103856 - 01/27/04 02:03 PM Re: How do you deal with a charging bull?
colossus Offline
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How did that coconut get there? By African or European swallow? It might make a diff. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG]

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#103857 - 01/28/04 05:57 AM Re: How do you deal with a charging bull?
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Have you ever even SEEN a fully mature, really pissed off bull, karate-do?!?!?!

Its not even funny!!!

Alec.

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#103858 - 02/03/04 11:44 AM Re: How do you deal with a charging bull?
ShorinRyuMatt Offline
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Although it seems that the question has been partly answered I can identify with the subject at hand. When I joined my class there were two 3rd degree black belts (my sensei's) and myself. As I progressed I got to spar a little, not much contact as control has always been the focus. One of my sensei's is quite a bear and although less raging is still quite a bull with his attacks. Throughout the years the only way I've been able to spar him without receiving a quick reminder to keep my guard up or on balance through a strike from this big guy has been to accept the fact that I was going to be hit and step in to meet him, seems that most bulls know how to chase very well but when confronted they have to suddenly change their long approach to a much closer attack. I have yet to win a sparring match against my sensei but progress is progress! Hope I've been able to at least stir something that can help.

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#103859 - 02/03/04 11:51 AM Re: How do you deal with a charging bull?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by JohnL:
You say where and when, I'll rent the bull. We both put $5000 in a hat, if you kill the bull with one blow when it charges you, you win.

JohnL
[/QUOTE]

I'll put $5,000 in the hat as well. May the force be with you Karate-do.

Raul

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#103860 - 02/03/04 02:56 PM Re: How do you deal with a charging bull?
JohnL Offline
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You haven't quite got the idea have you ShorinRyuMatt.

By stepping in you have just added more power to the bulls impact. See my first response on this thread for the secret technique needed for dealing with bulls.

JohnL

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#103861 - 02/03/04 10:00 PM Re: How do you deal with a charging bull?
ShorinRyuMatt Offline
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Registered: 02/02/04
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Loc: Indiana, PA
Perhaps you're right JohnL [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG] From a serious perspective, however, I feel that confronting any issue is preferable to running away even if that means that we put ourselves in harms way. You can't learn from mistakes if you don't have the courage to stand up and choose to defend something you believe in, in this case a sparring match. Again, I could be wrong but I think this perspective should at least be shared.

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#103862 - 02/04/04 06:28 AM Re: How do you deal with a charging bull?
JohnL Offline
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ShorinRyuMatt:
Read my first response on this topic again. You clearly haven't read it thoroughly enough.

I haven't suggested running away.

Also in my response, it dealt with the confrontation, just in what I believe to be a tactically superior method.

JohnL

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#103863 - 02/04/04 06:35 PM Re: How do you deal with a charging bull?
eel Offline
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Registered: 02/03/04
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by NomindNotrouble:
Ok, I'll set the background. I'm about 195lbs at 5'11''. I've taken judo, Brazilian jujitsu, tkd, kungfu, and a few other arts. I'm not much to sneeze at and I knw my stuff. My buddy does the pretty much the same but with only one differece between us, he's built solid like a mac truck. When we spar against each other its more like a hight speed chase. I had plenty of people say that I should stand my ground and use tatics, while they simply do the same. He's very intimidating. So question is how do you deal with your mack trucks? I don't want to hear from mack trucks themelves because I already know you have an advantage. I want to hear from others who dealt with them? How do you deal with a charging bull?[/QUOTE]

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