MAGr

Globe

I would have go with what Globe outlined above.

At the very least.

I am gun onwer and I think guns have gotten way out of control here in the States.

Globe the Swiss are often used as an example of a nation where pretty much everyone has access to a military grade firearms and yet is a very peaceful society--few shootings.

(the Swiss have a very well organized "milita"/Natl Guard system)

What they don't talk about is that the ammo for the weapons is STRICTLY controlled.

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ditto israel. it is almost impossible to get a rifle in israel, unless it is your reserve rifle. you can have one pistol. if you want to upgrade, you need to bring in your old one. you can have a shotgun, if you have a hunting license. ammo is very strictly regulated. you are responsible for all crimes commited with your firearm, and you are responsible that your firearm is secure. you need to go to the range every year to renew your license. you need to have several people vouch for you when you get the license, including your army comander. you need to talk to a shrink, and not have a police record.

there are almost no accidental shootings in israel, and not that many family homocides. no home invasions.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by globetrotter:
there are almost no accidental shootings in israel, and not that many family homocides. no home invasions. [/QUOTE]

But there are plenty of suicide bombers, maybe if they had guns... okay okay, that wasn't neccisary. Obviously, Sanchin, Neko, and myself have our views, while globe, and MAGr have theirs. I fail to see how this is going to be resolved any time soon. Is it possible that we can reach an agreement on these grounds:

1) Guns are tools that are not only used for home invasions.
2) Guns are dangerous in the hands of irrational, irresponsible people. (include: drunks, druggies, gang members, mafia, kids, teenagers, dogs, by anyone driving, and by husbands that come home early from work)
3) Everything is dangerous when alcohol is involved.
4) All assault rifles should not be available to the general public.
5) Coxne is a danger to all those around while he is behind the wheel of his truck.
and
6) That this thread has fallen horribly off track, and should be either locked or deleted.

Can that be aggreed upon, or will this relentless debate of scenero, logic, statistics, and opinions continue? I know I am certainly willing to agree to disagree.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by coxne:
But there are plenty of suicide bombers, maybe if they had guns... okay okay, that wasn't neccisary.


actually, in the good old days before terrorists used suicide bombs in israel, there were a hell of a lot of cases of people shooting terrorists dead. and strangly enough, these were people who usually had only one handgun, usually a handgun that would be considered "small" in america, and had been trained at government expense and kept up their license and training and so on.


but aside from that, I think that we can all agree to disagree.

I disagree to agree to disagree, but I agree to agree to what we have disagreed on, provided you disagree to agree to what you have disagreed on.

....And now I'm dizzy...

at 105 posts, I do believe this has run it's course.

I would like to congratulate everyone on keeping it civil, without resorting to personal attacks and name calling.

Thread will now be locked.