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#101362 - 02/16/05 03:50 PM Someone points a gun at your head, what do you do?
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When I say they point it at your head this assumes they're right up next to you, on which side...I can't say, but just assume it's in front.

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#101363 - 02/16/05 05:36 PM Re: Someone points a gun at your head, what do you do?
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Oozuru,

First off, Gun disarms are a DICEY propostion at best. But, I know you know that.

I can't tell you how anything is going to go down. A lot of the disarms taught at most schools don't happen that way in real life.

I can hope to impart basic principles.

1) Body rotation and stance shifting, make yourself as thin a target as possible.
2) Clasp both hands around the gun. Soft and gentle, not hard and brittle.
Be aware of the hammer/ slide.
3)Clear the weapon to the outside. 100% of the time clearing to the inside brings the barrel to center mass. That means if the trigger goes off, by accident or on purpose. What ever the barrel points at, the bullet will hit!
THAT MEANS YOU!!!
4)Twist the barrel upward, and outward to affect the joint lock. Kick the shin to unbalance the assailant.
If the guy has a stable base, he'll be able to fight back and regain control successfully.
5) From there lock on to targets available and strike! Strike first, Strike hard, Strike repeatedly. Keep going until he's no longer a threat. Once neutralized STOP! Take the gun, from him and RUN !!!
6) Do not use the gun yourself!!!
That gun is not yours!, You don't know if it is on safety, if it is even loaded. You never know if it will misfire or jam.
The last place you want to be in is in a court room trying to establish that he was the hold up guy, if your fingerprints are also on the trigger.
Lastly, remeber what he perp looked like and report him to the police, give them the gun with his prints on the trigger! Hand it to them slowly and handle first (Hold it by the barrel it from pointing at anyone, especially yourself.

I hope this helps and I know that others will add their good advice as well. Please take heed of our words, and the best defense...
Don't be there in the first place!!

Joel

[This message has been edited by JoelAp_Self Protection (edited 02-16-2005).]

[This message has been edited by JoelAp_Self Protection (edited 02-16-2005).]

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#101364 - 02/16/05 05:59 PM Re: Someone points a gun at your head, what do you do?
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If the gun is really close at my head I would try to disarm him. SOunds stupid but think for a minute. If he wants to kill you would you A)stand there and died

OR

B)Died trying........

Think about it................

*Inuyasha*

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#101365 - 02/16/05 07:47 PM Re: Someone points a gun at your head, what do you do?
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For gun disarm it very dangerour you only get one chance to get it right, so you are going to try to disarm someone with a gun, Do it right.

One of important is to get the pairol, sorry spelling, away from you. If you happen to grab their hand that holding the gun, now matter don't let go,

I try to avoid as much as possible, but if it's a life and situation, me personally I try to disarm my opponents.

taichi

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#101366 - 02/16/05 09:44 PM Re: Someone points a gun at your head, what do you do?
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I really appreciate you guys, I LOVE YOU GUYS. But I already know this, in fact two weeks ago me and some friends (Nick&Aaron) were trying this with empty clips. I think even if they were blanks, you guys might take it out of proportion saying "you should know better." But I do (not saying you did say this), that's why I use empty clips. Just remember, you don't have to be in the non-civilian sector to practice these techniques. As a matter of fact, I recomend you guys start now (assuming you have'nt).
Also, we practice using human shields for a just in case thing. Just because there might be 4 guys in a diamond formation around you with guns DOESN'T make you as good as dead, take my word on it.

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#101367 - 02/17/05 12:03 AM Re: Someone points a gun at your head, what do you do?
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Its a scary situation to be in. Move the barrel away quickly then forget about the barrel.

It may sound weird but when facing an armed opponent the weapon should only be the primary focus when you initially begin the disarm. As long as you clear it from the target, then you can attack the opponent hard and fast. This negates the use of the weapon as the opponent is trying to keep his skull from caving in.

If you focus too much on the weapon then you expose yourself to the opponent. As long as you have a hand on the weapon then there is a hole in your defenses and a weakness in your offense.

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#101368 - 02/17/05 05:54 AM Re: Someone points a gun at your head, what do you do?
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Excellent post, JoelAP.

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#101369 - 02/17/05 08:02 PM Re: Someone points a gun at your head, what do you do?
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I'm not trying to bump this or anything, but I forgot to mention I practice with guys who would ABSOLUTELY NOT hesitate to pull a trigger. So naturally they are good with firearms, given that you'd expect a 'click' the first twenty or so times I tried a disarm. But I've gotten better, and the click now comes after the gun is pointed away from my head.

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#101370 - 02/18/05 12:52 AM Re: Someone points a gun at your head, what do you do?
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MattJ,

Thank you so much for your support.
Well met my friend.

To the forum,

Please keep in mind this fact.
We do not have a bright red "S" on our chest.
We aren't bullet proof.
Hold up at gun point situations are not were anyone want to be.
If it is a hold up, you'll realize this in your ooda loop.
Observe what is happening.
He hasn't shot me yet.
Organize what you have at hand in your advantage.
My hands are up and close enough to effect the grab, my leg is close enough to kick his shin.
Decide on your couse of action.
If i'm going to do this...
Action implemented.
NOW!!!
This has to in a blink of the eye.

The criminal mind set is...
If he wanted to shoot you, he'd have already done so.
A hold up, is a threat of violence.
He wants something else instead of your life at that point.

So If the guys you train with don't hesitate, have them think in terms of the criminal. Else your training isn't preparing you right. You're heart and mind aren't racing and freezing at the same time (Adrenal dump), Because they aren't threatening you like a criminal would.
Have them add that aspect and you'll get even better prepared Oozuru.

I say that since it sounds like your training partners aren't taking the senario seriously. Like they just want to squeeze the trigger no matter what.
Is that the case? Or am I completely off?
If the latter I apologize and keep doing what your doing.

Joel

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#101371 - 02/18/05 10:17 AM Re: Someone points a gun at your head, what do you do?
schanne Offline
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Registered: 02/18/04
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Loc: Woodbury NJ
Lets face it, most of us would crap our pants if some one stuck a barrel to your head. All the training in the world doesn't matter if your not mentally ready to "make the move" I know that If my life was in danger I would try but I still wonder if my timming, speed will be enough at "that time". There are a lot of variables to consider, what if you miss the first try, your hand might be to wet, can you accually see the gun in the dark, is the pistols hammer pulled back, what state of mind is the attacker in? My favorite part of MA is self defense but I hope that I never have to try and disarm someone with a knife or gun.

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