Try to get out of this one...(Scenario)

ROFL Sharon,

And with your Husband!!!

Mark

first off there isnt much choice but to fight in this situation! you have already been headbutted and hit the guy. They probably arent going to leave you be even if you do give up your wallet now.

the first thing i would do is jump. -- "it wont be hard to get as high as i need to be" -- while in the air i would start to brace myself on the top of the stall wall opisite of the 2nd guy. within the same motion i would brace my other hand on the back of his head grabbing hair "if hes bald then the back of his neck" pulling tward me and slamming his throught on the top of the stall wall.

"I do not care how big he is that will put him out of the action for at least a lil while"

when i am braceing him and the wall -- "remember this is one quick action only a second" -- I will slame one foot at the 1st guys throught and the other into his ribs -- "the kick to the throught will take him out a bit at least, but a nice kick to the ribs to knock his air out would more than triple the damage done. not only can he not breath one way, now the air he had is gone and he still cant breath" even if he manages to block one of the kicks, either that hit would daze him some!!! -- now remember i am still holding the other guys throught on the stall wall. he is probably knocked out by now, or at least to dazed to do anything" -- I would then let go of the wall and put all my weight onto the mans head. with the momentum i got from letting go, i would build up power with that arm and sock him in the nose!

-- "i have no dought that the man would fall unconcious "if not dead from his throught being crushed" probably hurting himself more in the small stall and on the hard toilet" --

then letting go I would drop to the floor, if they had someone else with them he would either shoot into the stall witch i would be able to do nothing about, or run to aid his fallen freind. But just in case i would sneak a quick peak out if the stall just to see. "it would take to long to say what i would do with two and three, so well just say there was 2"

i would then get to the first person as fast as i could if he was near a wall i would kick his face and knock his head into it untill he was out, "even if he blocked it kicking his hands hard enough would push his hands into his face and his head into the wall"

if he was on the floor i would jump on his stomic and chest and start punching him in the sides of his head untill he was out,

if he was somehow standing, he would still be dazed at least. i would then try a sweep, if i could not get one in on him i would come up hard and fast from the sweep with an uppercut punch to the chin. then while he was for sure to dazed to block, i would punch him in the sides oif the head untill he was out, if the sweep worked i would jump on his stomic and chest and start punching him in the sides of his head untill he was out.

The previous actions would only take 4-8 seconds

I would then proceed to the second man, there is no dought he would still be severly dazed, if not knocked out or dead. i would then easily be able to hit him or slam him into the walls or toilet untill he was out.

these actions should prevent me from any danger.

Good plan spiderman
Wonder Woman

The first thing he should do if he fears that his life is in danger is ripout the guys eyes and throw them at the other guy. Them say something real crazy like "I'm gonna rip your heart out." And then he should go after the other one like a mad man.

I really hope these last couple of posts werent serious or their going to be some dead posters the first time someone tries to mug them. Throat shots, eyegouging, and acrobatic back flips will not save your life even IF they work without you failing miserably in the attempt; which is very likely due to adrenaline and opponent resistance.

Spiderman,

Thanks for yuor email, but to clarify, my above post was intended as humourous. I don't really think it's a good plan, I think it is a very bad one, and my name is WADO woman, I typed WONDER woman as a joke.

It is great that you are thinking of taking up martial arts, but be prepared that you will not see anything in the class akin to the spiderman films you are such a big fan of.

Sorry for any confusion/offence I may have caused.
Sharon

I would cut the blighters in half with my Adamantium claws.

Then take wonderwoman to dinner, Linda Carter SIGH!!!!!!! [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/cool.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

Wolverine

[This message has been edited by mark (edited 07-27-2004).]

Hi Sharon,

I agree with you in that if faced with a threat against my loved ones, I would attack...but over a wallet with easily replacable contents...why take the chance.

In the scenario described, Sam gets headbutted as part of the bad guy's intimidation to get Sam to comply. The first thing to note here is that in this scenario, not only has Sam failed to be Aware of his surroundings and have left himself open to his attacker following him into the stall.

But in the scenario provided by DecietfulSwing...it isn't until after he hands over the money after being headbutted that Sam learns that his attacker has backup...and it could be argued that he learns this because he's chose to strike his Mugger...and that the backup might not have revealed himself if he'd just complied.

After handing over the wallet Sam sadly picked a poor target. I might have selected a kick to the shin so that as he bent over he'd be set for a nice knee to the chin.

This scenario reminds me of an incident that really did occur a few years ago. My friend Adalberto was coming to California to visit and train for a few weeks from Puerto Rico. Prior to his trip, their had been a series of muggings where good martial artists had been either killed or injured.

On the night before Adalberto's flight, after leaving a bar, he was approached on the street by a man who demanded his money. Adalberto side stepped him and kept walking.

The surprised individual drew a gun and came after him. Adalberto gaged the distance of the individual, and the position with which he was holding the gun.

While the individual was within the range with which Adalberto had practised gun disarms. Remembering that other Martial Artists had recently been injured or killed in muggings recently...Adalberto did what his contemporaries hadn't. He looked around to see if his Mugger was alone & discovered that he wasn't. If he had struck he'd have been shot by this guys backup.

Adalberto gave them the money, he's a 4th Degree in Shorenji Ryu & a 4th Degree in Jujutsu. Yes as someone stated in a post...if you give them the money they may still attack...and they might not.

Had Adalberto attacked the Mugger instead of checking to see if the guy had any backup he would have been shot in the back and his wife & 3 children could have lost him. By complying he kept his life & as Sharon pointed out...replaced his money.

Adalberto's failing was being out late, and selecting a car in the wrong part of town, dressing nice to make him standout...and then having parked so far away from the bar that he stood out as he left and began walking several blocks to where he left it. It was his rank that let him do so...as he told himself that he could handle anyone if someone tried something. Instead of protecting him...these actions are what led to the Muggers selecting him as a target.

Eric

Sam should be more selective in the places he frequents.

well if i were int his position and i had just punch the guy and realized there was an acoplise...i would most likely do the first thing that came to my mind...(not being a strategic thinker) i would run like hell.. after i had hit the man i would push him out of the stall..and just run like hell...if there were a guy in the way it would have been football season..even for a little guy like me.. some person running out of stall ...and right into the watcher (guy who checks for witnesses) he would most likly be looking around..and boom out the door...afer that there would be no way these men could catch me...simple as that ...lol unless he pulled out a gun and shot me in the back..which would **** ...

Sam is really a suicide bomber and was in the process of priming his bomb when the mugger walked in, the dillema for sam is not if he should hand over his wallet but if he should change his plan and blow up the mens toilets along with the unfortunate mugger and his accomplice! :-) "Purely hypothetical of course"

With 3 people inside the stalls there aint going to be much room. The two attackers probably wont be able to stand side by side therefore if SAM is by the toilet he will probably have a column of two attackers to deal with. This is easier that one either side, SAM only has to worry about one attacker at a time. I would take out the first attacker with a hand strike depending on how he falls I would either go straight for the second attacker or use attacker no 1 as a shield.

In the situation you described only. I would kick or hit #1 again. Then since #2 is standing on the tolite seat (I had to read it again to make sure Sam wasn't on the seat)I'd probably reach up and pull him dowm onto the tolite in my stall (head first I'd hope) then grab #1 and pivot/throw him into #2 then run like hell.

As to in general - If I was in no preceived danger I would NOT hit first. In court all his lawyer would need to do is have him say "all I did was ask him for his money then he attacked me." You either have to admit this is what happened or purjure yourself in court.

NOTHING in your wallet (or purse) is worth your life.

go low on the guy standing in the door(shoot for the legs for example) to take him to the ground and stay low enough not to get grabbed by the other guy, this should be fairly easy since you just punched him in the face. Then if he hasn't grabbed you, you should attempt to get out of the bathroom or at least in a more open space with a wall to your back and your attackers in front of you. If he has then you should go for the groin and get up.
Reaper

the stall is cramped and with three people standing there isn't really any space. Stalls here in the US the walls are 2 to 2.5 feet off the ground. Sam could drop, cover his face and roll under that. he wouldn't have to worry about being kicked since there wouldn't be enough room to wind up. That leaves two men in a stall and sam with a clear dash to the door. When Sam drops to roll out the assailents would probably take it as a cue to attack so the would focus their movement into the stall and it would take too much time to reposition and leave the stall before Sam opens the door.

Robert Cheshire-

You mentioned that you wouldn't hit first. Just thought I'd clarify this, Sam has already been headbutted.

How much does Sam weigh? Could he run over the guy blocking the door and make a break for it?

He can have my wallet I got no money anyway