Training Under Critical Conditions

I think that's what it's called.Anyways,I did get this idea from YuYu Hakusho(there are truths in shows like this).

My question is:Will this training help you push past your limits.I know it's extremely dangerous because if you fail you die,but that's the point.It's about harnessing the inner strength and facing what happens if you don't.I live for training and if I'm weak enough to die from a little training then maybe I deserve to die.

I want your advice on what type of life and death training I should do.Don't worry about my safety I don't care about that anymore.

You can get a job as a fire fighter or roughnecking an oilrig....
I think training for martial arts should be somewhat forgiving though, in my opinion. Everyone (that I am aware) of has off days, I just think the dying part would interfere with your progress.

My two cents. Anyone else?

It's a bit ridiculous. Training in anything should be done in a safe environment. After the basics are understood more realistic training should be introduced but still in a safe manner. There is no point in putting yourself in a life threatening situation to train for something that may never happen.

I just think the dying part would interfere with your progress.
My two cents. Anyone else?

Yes I can see how that would be likely!

I would recommend you to talk to a counselor.

You seem to have some deep rooted anger/depression issues that should be addressed by a professional.

Martial arts training can help with this, but what you are talking about is not appropriate for your age whatsoever. I am sure your 16 year old girlfriend would not approve, either.

Actually I'm 15 and I do't care about dating,at all.I also don't feel like training right now anyway.I really feel lousy because of something I ate.

The point is that if I die that's too bad for me.I might as well take a chance and go for supreme power rather than raising my strength little by little and training like a wimp.I don't care for anyone so I'm not worried about missing family or friends.I have no friends and I don't enjoy spending time around others or family.

If I don't have what it takes to achieve true power then I hope I die because I'll deserve it for being weak.

I don't recomend the training you are considering any more than I recomend that somone quit their job and risk their savings at the casinos in vegas. I'm sorry your not feeling so good, I get depressed too. I'm not sure where you got your ideas of what you 'deserve', but unless you think dying is a good thing, I think you deserve better, weak or not.

'In the moment' strength is impressive, but I don't know of any way to develope it without developing the strength to do the long term training. Sorry if I'm not much help.

I gonna go with them on this one. Yes i too have those feelings of rage and depression that make you wanna push ur limits til you black out, but when you think about it, it is stupid on your part. If you let something get to you that bad and you wanna prove your worth then go ahead. But to answer the original question. Yes it will increase some limits but not all, and if you do, do intense training, let your body heal first before attempting it again. Treat the body with proper respect to maintain a good balance of your energies. OOO yeah and if you die now, then all that time you spent training is wasted and i don't think there a planet for the dead to train on, so watch urself you only get one body,lol.

I'm not deppressed you dolts,I'm beyond that.
If there's nothing to achieve in this life then I might as well take a chance with death.Heaven,hell,spirit world,reincarnation or you just become nothing.It will probably be one of those and I'm willing to risk it all.I just need enough to withstand all pathetic weapons on earth.If I don't achieve anything then I'll keep trying no matter how many times I fail.

It's my fighting spirit that keeps me improving tremendously every time I push myself to the breaking point.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bukujutsu:
I'm not deppressed you dolts,I'm beyond that.
If there's nothing to achieve in this life then I might as well take a chance with death.Heaven,hell,spirit world,reincarnation or you just become nothing.It will probably be one of those and I'm willing to risk it all.I just need enough to withstand all pathetic weapons on earth.If I don't achieve anything then I'll keep trying no matter how many times I fail.

It's my fighting spirit that keeps me improving tremendously every time I push myself to the breaking point.[/QUOTE]


Bukujutsu,

If you do not mind me asking, What brought you to this way of thinking? You do not have to answer if you don't want to, but I am just curious because I have never heard anybody like you. (I can't say that I met you because its over the internet).

Thanks.

-Joe-


[This message has been edited by Unlimited Possibilities (edited 03-05-2005).]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bukujutsu:
I'm not deppressed you dolts,I'm beyond that.
If there's nothing to achieve in this life then I might as well take a chance with death.Heaven,hell,spirit world,reincarnation or you just become nothing.It will probably be one of those and I'm willing to risk it all.I just need enough to withstand all pathetic weapons on earth.If I don't achieve anything then I'll keep trying no matter how many times I fail.

It's my fighting spirit that keeps me improving tremendously every time I push myself to the breaking point.[/QUOTE]


You are a bit young to feel like that. [beyond depression]

Ask me again in another 15 years when you have lived.

It is normal for kids of your age to have wildly fluctuating hormones etc, if you are feeling really stressed [and you sound like you are] then I would find a counseller to help you talk it through.

Use your warriors spirit to find a purpose and goal in your life and go for it. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG]

Good luck, I wish you all the best and hope you find your dreams.

I might as well take a chance with death.Heaven,hell,spirit world,reincarnation or you just become nothing.It will probably be one of those and I'm willing to risk it all

We aren't given an option, so you'r willingness to risk it all is purely academic, but why hurry?

What's the point in getting hurt trying to learn how to protect yourself from being hurt? Isn't the idea some kind of oxymoron?

The only way to become better at something is hard work and dedication. You better believe it, that's life. It takes time and if you're doing it right, you won't be harmed at all. If you get hurt, then you're doing something wrong. If you aren't willing to put in years and years of hard work and dedication, then maybe you aren't cut out for MA training. If you truly want to become good at an MA, stop asking questions, go find a teacher and start learning. Maybe in 15 years time you'll start getting good at the MA.

"There are no shortcuts to anyplace worth going"

[This message has been edited by Leo_E_49 (edited 03-06-2005).]

I disagree with the use of critical threat training for anyone but the nearly perfected master.

Most all combat traditions (including national militaries) emphasize critical threat training as a way to condition the emotions, integrate and operationalize low-impact training, and raise the student to higher levels of consciousness.

Even though the greatest masters of our time, especially the likes of (the old-fashioned) Masaaki Hatsumi, swear by this practice, I reject it.

There is no question that conditions of critical threat develop the emotions and inform the mind on many levels, but they also can create bad habits such as hastiness, sloppiness and frenzy.

If you've been a prisoner of war or you were raised in a dangerously pathological family you will have your instincts deeply honed and your emotions greatly hardened, but you will probably also have acquired a number of bad habits along with all of this. Bad habits which you may find very hard to mend.

Training has shown that skills instinctively learned under conditions of critical threat can also be learned with greater organization and stability via conceptualization, demonstration and imitation.

I do not think that young or even highly experienced students should practice under conditions of critical threat.

I would suggest that one should only practice under conditions of critical threat when one has completely purified ones emotions through the application of traditional Chinese medicine (particularly herbalism and Chi Nei Tsang massage), when one has resolved all of one's mental conflicts--past and present, and when one has found peace and resolution in choosing a life path.

After having fully mastered your chosen martial art and receiving the blessing of your instructors if you have any, or your own heart if you don't, then consider training under conditions of critical threat. But truly, only this if you mean to become a genuine warrior.