sex and chi

hi there, i read a lot of stuff that frequent sexual activity lessens your chi storage. is this true, that everytime you reach orgasm a vast amount of chi is being wasted? i need your opinion on this guys. and i think this is an interesting topic huh? so we as IMA artist should avoid sex? anybody heard of the sexual kung fu? ithink it has something to do of taking advantage of gaining chi while doing sex. good day everyone....

Yes I have heard of it but practice the opposite. Although I know this guy from the sushi bar that is a real "Japophit/Buddist and he is fimiliar with my background in MA and every time I see him there we have chi energy talks and discussions about Zen. He has mentioned many times that sex does release chi and so on but who cares with the right amount of meditation and correct breathing you can get it up again, ooopps! I mean you can get your chi back again. [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

Osu!

[This message has been edited by schanne (edited 11-17-2004).]

Having sex without orgasm is a tough game.. I can't do it. The closer you get to orgasm, the more ancient instinctive part of your mind you are using <---I think.

I am not entirely sure how it works, but I don't think that the idea is to eliminate orgasm, the idea is to have a different kind of orgasm. Separate orgasm from ejaculation.

on but who cares with the right amount of meditation and correct breathing you can get it up again, ooopps! I mean you can get your chi back again
Actually, you can't.
According to the old wise qigong-masters we have:
-prenatal qi that you were born with and use ´til it's all gone, at which point you die. There's no way to get more of it (or you cold live forever given the right amount of meditation and correct breathing not that I can think of any good reason to want to live forever but that's beside the point)
-postnatal qi that we get from food and breathing and so forth, that's what we can build up and qultivate with for instance qigong.
Furthermore according to the same masters it's the first mentioned kind of qi that you use when you ejaculate.
Then again it could be only a way for them to trick their monks into concentrating on more vital issues than sex, for all I know..

taoist believe that chi lost during orgasm is so vast that it needs a lot of proper nutrition and enough time to re energize, but like you said i dont care too. it worth the risk huh?

sexual kung fu stuff teaches you to preserve chi through preserving semen i guess. they teaches a weird kind of technique that when used is more of gaining chi than losing it during orgasm. they said it will lead to "valley orgasm" that is more intense than usual orgasm and the experience is almost spiritual.

any ideas still welcomed here...

Conserving qi through perserving your semen sounds horrendously painfull. I think this might be mystic BS. All this keep your semen as long as possible is CLEARLY created by women, or as was said above to keep monks from being distracted. Modern biology and Psycology shows that forcing youself not to ejeculate ever is potentially unhealthy.

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"Conserving qi through perserving your semen" sounds horrendously painfull.
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Aye. Ever heard of 'blueballs'? lol
I dont think they meant the energy is stored in the semen... but I guess from one point of view, sex is supposed to be the act that leads to a child being created... so that discharge of Chi/Ki/Qi may be (in theory) the energy contribution of the father, to the potential new life.

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All this keep your semen as long as possible is CLEARLY created by women, or as was said above to keep monks from being distracted.
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Worse control methods have been used throughout history.. but the part about women was a pretty big assumption :P

WHat is this?

Semen and chi.

I dont kinow what your talking about but its about sex...This is the wierdest post ive everseen... [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

Thats the... [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG] ...He he...bhahahahahah [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by aLx:
taoist believe that chi lost during orgasm is so vast that it needs a lot of proper nutrition and enough time to re energize, but like you said i dont care too. it worth the risk huh?

sexual kung fu stuff teaches you to preserve chi through preserving semen i guess. they teaches a weird kind of technique that when used is more of gaining chi than losing it during orgasm. they said it will lead to "valley orgasm" that is more intense than usual orgasm and the experience is almost spiritual.

any ideas still welcomed here...[/QUOTE]

All my orgasms are spiritual, I pray it happens all the time!!!! [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG]

Does humor belong in this forum?
YES! Of course it does.
Moderators please, do you find something that really is funny here or has the time come to bring out the lock and key?
Just asking... because the serious part of this thread, although potentially justified, is turning in it's grave.

Hey nenipp i'll try and keep it on track.

I think the loss of qi could perhaps be coordinated to hormonal imbalances. If you are oversexed the balance of hormones in your body might shift so that other organs and whatnot are not functioning at their optimum potential. As one gets older and the metabolism inherently slows down, this is due to a change in the hormonal balance of the individual. While these changes are somewhat inevitable, keeping an active metabolism is the best way to delay the aging process.

As one ages, the old qigong masters probably figured out that too much sex when older disrupts the new balance, or sends it in the wrong way, slowing the metabolism even further, which causes people to age. Thats also why sexual desire generally goes down in most people as they show signs of aging. So things like viagra probably do more harm then good.

Esoterically, if you aren't growing and changing, you're dying... If you continue the cycle of creation and destruction in your body (for example lift weights break down muscle to build up stronger) you keep your body away from entropy. When people neglect parts of their body, those parts (such as muscle tissue) tend towards entropy (we've all seen how older people lose muslce tissue). Since the body functions wholistically, if one part is weakening and dying, this invariably affects the others as well. But within this holistic picture, everything as an appropiate balance, and finding the right balance with the hormones, requires less sex as one ages. At least that is my understanding from what i've read.

Just my thoughts, anyone with more knowledge then I, feel free to comment....

Yeah, that is a big part of what I have read up on the subject MrEd. Another angle is the amount of energy it takes to produce new sperm. Along those lines, if your testicles have to produce new sperm too often and never get a chance to rest, then they are "overtrained" <--referring back to your weight training analogy MrEd.
If your testicles are "overtrained" with producing new sperm, then energy from other functions (hormone production) might be re-routed towards your 'dying' testicles for sperm production and healing. Which brings us full circle to what MrEd just said about balance.

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The other half our thread starter, aLx, seemed like he was interested in was not just energy preservation, but rather, 'transforming "sexual energy" into a more usable form of energy.' Is that right aLx?
I have read about this, but haven't had much luck in understanding it fully.
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schanne, you are way too funny!!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by aLx:
hi there, i read a lot of stuff that frequent sexual activity lessens your chi storage. is this true, that everytime you reach orgasm a vast amount of chi is being wasted? i need your opinion on this guys. and i think this is an interesting topic huh? so we as IMA artist should avoid sex? anybody heard of the sexual kung fu? ithink it has something to do of taking advantage of gaining chi while doing sex. good day everyone....[/QUOTE]

From what I understand it is more a circulation of ones chi during the act and shortly after that retains the chi. Taoism gets more into this then other info I have seen. You can easily tell if you are drained..if all you can do is fall asleep then you may have wasted chi...if you are alert yet relaxed after... then things went well. To much mental(thinking) during the process pulls energy to the head and can dull ones experience. Anyway.. the point is... chi can be wasted in this way. However good nutrition, exercise, and meditation can balance it out again.
Some of the articles talked about holding the semen back which is a technigue used, but I am under the understanding that a certain pressure point on the right chest of the male(close to the nipple if I remember correctly) is to be stimulated with the breath cycle to produce this action not any direct pressure to any senitive tissues below. Hope I have covered this in a sensitive enough way.

hi guys,
problem with your rational and sound reasoning is that ejaculation is supposed to tax from the limited quantity of PREnatal qi, that you cannot restore or cultivate, only use up 'til it's all gone (and by that time, so are you)
Well anyway it's not worth worrying too much about, because if nothing else is certain, worrying sure eats your energy like candy ;o)

Is sexual activity bad for your overall health.

No. Overindulding in sexual activity is bad for your health just the same as overindulging in food is bad for your health, overindulging in exercise is bad for your heatlh, or overindulging in sleep is bad for your health.

The idea is balance. Balanced diet, balanced bath pattern, balanced rest, balanced exercise, and balanced mental stimulation.

You can even find these ideas in modern Western science and I'm guessing that many religions probably have similar ideals.

Hmmmmm... This post is interesting but sex/masturbating is actually quite healthy they say that at least twice a day for a week will keep you strong and your heart will live longer..but that is what they say... [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

I heard of an ancient belief, either buddhist of taoist, that having sex without ejaculating would bring wonderful results.
the list goes something like this( from memory):
1st time: Better health
3rd time: The strength of three men
5th time: Immunity to disease
10th time: Immortality

But don't take my word for it because it's been a long time since I learned of it.

Update: It was History channel.

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Semen retention is part of the 'immortality' or longevity regimen. By indulgence in sexual activity without ejaculation means the semen are constantly produced but absorbed by the body supposedly making it stronger. Partaking in this kind of activity and particularly deflowering virgins means that you also 'steal' and absorb their yin chi making you stronger.

This is why old Kung Fu masters often have lots of young ladies around them..... [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

hi guys, its nice to see this topic gathers interests. its been a long time

i already find a book that teaches this sexual kungfu stuff ,its " taoist secret of vitality" . i still have to go through the pages yet.

be here again soon....

Just going to paste this...

I have heard people mentioning abstinence as a way to improve chi. This teaching has been around for a long time and I do have some insight about it. There is a six week prep period that builds up your chi. Not abstinence for an eternity. They might be monks but they are still men. During this time they could not eat sugar because it erodes the body. I don’t know how but it just dose. I am also not sure if by sugar they mean fructose or sucrose. I think they mean processed sugar and that means no alcohol because that turns into sugar. In addition to these things they recommended against yellow vegetables like corn. They use corn syrup as a sweetener because of all the sugar in corn. Any how after this six weeks time they could go about there life normally because there body had absorbed all of the chi that it could get from those things. Then there was no point in doing this any longer. There bodies had come to a peak and sperm was of no consequence.
Thanks for listening
Anthony a k a saber