sharp pain in elbow (from bjj)

Posted by: pepto_bismol

sharp pain in elbow (from bjj) - 06/20/07 10:30 PM

You know the joint on your elbow that gets soar from a bjj lock? (parallel with the thumb when palm is facing down)

Well, It has been having a sharp pain every time I apply pressure for over 2 weeks now. I am even taking class off tonight (noooooo) just to let it rest.

Now, I don't know if it is tennis elbow or not, but I think that some people in this forum probably have some experience with this kind of thing, so I would appreciate it if somebody can tell me what they think it is, or what they normally do for soar joints (ice, heat, special ointment?)

I will be able to rest it tomorrow and friday (no classes) but am hoping to be better by sat.

that's just me being hopefull, so thanks for any advice.
Posted by: MattJ

Re: sharp pain in elbow (from bjj) - 06/21/07 10:29 AM

Sounds like you may have strained a tendon in your elbow. LET. IT. HEAL! They can take a while (weeks). Straining it again will take even longer to heal.

Be safe!
Posted by: terry_asvr

Re: sharp pain in elbow (from bjj) - 08/05/07 05:50 PM

get a check up to make sure you do not have a tennis elbow to be safe because if you train with that problem that you could make it worst,train safe
Posted by: MastaFighta

Re: sharp pain in elbow (from bjj) - 08/05/07 06:39 PM

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You know the joint on your elbow that gets soar from a bjj lock? (parallel with the thumb when palm is facing down)

Well, It has been having a sharp pain every time I apply pressure for over 2 weeks now. I am even taking class off tonight (noooooo) just to let it rest.

Now, I don't know if it is tennis elbow or not, but I think that some people in this forum probably have some experience with this kind of thing, so I would appreciate it if somebody can tell me what they think it is, or what they normally do for soar joints (ice, heat, special ointment?)

I will be able to rest it tomorrow and friday (no classes) but am hoping to be better by sat.

that's just me being hopefull, so thanks for any advice.


Use RICE (Rest, Ice, Compression and Elevation).

Rest - This will keep your injury from becoming worse. This involves keeping yourself from doing any kind of activity that involves the injured area.

Ice - A bag of ice cubes, a bottle with frozen water, etcetera. Ice the injured area twenty minutes at a time, with twenty minutes between each icing. This will help reduce pain and minimize swelling (if there is any)

Compression - Wrap the injured area with a compression wrap. This restricts the increase of swelling in the injured area.

Elevation - This will allow gravity to push any waste (lactic acid for example) back into your body instead of pool in your arm. This allows waste to be properly disposed of. Make sure the injured area is elevated above your heart for it to be effective.

Don't return to class until the pain has completely subsided.
Posted by: Mark_Jakabcsin

Re: sharp pain in elbow (from bjj) - 08/05/07 10:31 PM

You could try RICE but I recommend you check out the following book first as I have found the advice far more helpful and comprehensive. (Cut from Amazon)

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Take care,

Mark J.
Posted by: MastaFighta

Re: sharp pain in elbow (from bjj) - 08/06/07 09:57 AM

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You could try RICE but I recommend you check out the following book first as I have found the advice far more helpful and comprehensive. (Cut from Amazon)

A Tooth from the Tiger's Mouth: How to Treat Your Injuries with Powerful Healing Secrets of the Great Chinese Warrior (Fireside Books (Fireside)) (Paperback)
by Tom Bisio (Author) "When I began to study martial arts some thirty years ago, I never imagined that practicing the fighting arts would lead me so far into..." (more)
Key Phrases: san huang san, sinew injuries, trauma pills, Eight Brocade Plus, Daily Dozen, Important Points (more...)


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Take care,

Mark J.


In my opinion, you should never recommend herbal remedies to someone. Sure, a lot of them seem to work, but they don't work for everyone. Plus, you don't know if someone is allergic to one of the contents of a remedy. Not to mention, I don't think a majority of people are willing to spend a handful of money on a book and herbs when they have cheaper/free alternatives.
Posted by: wristtwister

Re: sharp pain in elbow (from bjj) - 08/07/07 12:06 AM

I'm old fashioned... if you have an injury, go see a doctor. If you suspect it's tendonitis, go to either an oesteopath or an orthopedic doctor and have it looked after.

I've had tendonitis from torn rotator cuffs in my shoulder, and it was almost impossible to cure, but my orthopedic doctor figured out what to do, and fixed it right. Like being your own lawyer, being your own doctor gives you a fool for a patient. Go see somebody that can fix the problem and is trained to do it.

You might as well get to know him on a first-name basis, too... because if you're going to have locked elbow armlocks put on you, you'll have this problem more than once. It's a long term injury, and just letting it heal until it feels better isn't an invitation to go do the same thing all over again. It takes healing... weight training... and time, as well as the icing, and wraps before it will get well, so plan to take some time to get well... or you can just learn to live with a lot of needless pain.

Tendonitis won't kill you, but it will sure make being alive miserable if you use your arms much.

Posted by: MattJ

Re: sharp pain in elbow (from bjj) - 08/07/07 10:38 AM

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Tendonitis won't kill you, but it will sure make being alive miserable if you use your arms much.





You got that right. My right elbow has flared up today like a SOB.

Very sore, and so random. Didn't even do anything that would bother it. Just ZAP! And OWWWW!!!!
Posted by: Mark_Jakabcsin

Re: sharp pain in elbow (from bjj) - 08/07/07 10:04 PM

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[In my opinion, you should never recommend herbal remedies to someone.



MastaFighta,
Fair enough but in my opinion it is unwise to voice an opinion from a position of ignorance. I recommended the book and still do. Herbal options are only a small part of the book, a part I personally have not tried. I recommended the book, and still do, because of all of the other valueable information and insight found in it, including an excellent section about RICE. Of course you would have to actually read the book to have a valid opinion, positive or negative, otherwise you are simply speaking from a point of ignorance as to what information is found with in it's pages. But then as a self proclaimed Masta perhaps the rules of logic are different for you.

MJ
Posted by: MastaFighta

Re: sharp pain in elbow (from bjj) - 08/08/07 01:42 AM

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[In my opinion, you should never recommend herbal remedies to someone.



MastaFighta,
Fair enough but in my opinion it is unwise to voice an opinion from a position of ignorance. I recommended the book and still do. Herbal options are only a small part of the book, a part I personally have not tried. I recommended the book, and still do, because of all of the other valueable information and insight found in it, including an excellent section about RICE. Of course you would have to actually read the book to have a valid opinion, positive or negative, otherwise you are simply speaking from a point of ignorance as to what information is found with in it's pages. But then as a self proclaimed Masta perhaps the rules of logic are different for you.

MJ


My name was simply something I came up off the top of my head, and in no ways reflects me in anyway.

I apologize for my negative comments towards what you recommended. I wasn't aware that the book wasn't just about herbal remedies, though it seemed that it was. Once again, I apologize and I'll make sure it won't happen again.

I'll definitely check out the book you recommended though, this way I can formulate a valid opinion and maybe learn some things as well.
Posted by: UKfightfreak

Re: sharp pain in elbow (from bjj) - 08/15/07 12:57 PM

Couple of things in the vain of what other people have said:

* Never ask for or take medical advice from a discussion board - a qualified doctor wouldn't give advice over the internet, so I don't see why unqualified people should (even if people say they are qualified, you have no way of knowing).

* Get skeptical - Doctors aren't always right and I try to get other opinions. As for herbal stuff, it has not been reliably shown to work, if it has, it would be prescribed by doctors.

Remember wood bark was shown to have some properties for pain relief and is actually still pushed by people practicing alternative medicine. Most of us now know it as aspirin.
Posted by: Mark_Jakabcsin

Re: sharp pain in elbow (from bjj) - 08/15/07 04:26 PM

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* Get skeptical - Doctors aren't always right and I try to get other opinions. As for herbal stuff, it has not been reliably shown to work, if it has, it would be prescribed by doctors.





Interesting advice but since no one has recommended a herbal remedy on this thread it seems a bit out of place.

As for the book recommendation here is a review of the book by an M.D.
_________________________________________
Gregory Petaro, M.D. A must for any athlete, whether a weekend warrior or serious competitor. I have used these strategies successfully in my practice.
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An interesting read with lots of good information. Will the thread starter with a sore elbow find and answer there, who knows but the book still has lots of good information worth checking out. Personally I have learned how to drastically reduce swelling from trauma and speed up healing by using some of the techniques covered in Tom Bisio's book. At a few months shy of 40 anything that helps me recover and heal faster is a big plus. Oh, a guess what, I have never used any herbal remedies.

MJ
Posted by: UKfightfreak

Re: sharp pain in elbow (from bjj) - 08/16/07 04:28 AM

MJ - you stated this in an earlier post and this comment was aimed at getting people to think and do some research.
Posted by: wristtwister

Re: sharp pain in elbow (from bjj) - 08/16/07 11:42 PM

Again, I'm still old fashioned and would go to a doctor trained to examine and make a determination of what's wrong. My L-5 keeps going out in my back, and I'm headed to the orthopedic surgeon tomorrow to see if it's something that can be treated by medications, therapy, or needs surgery.

I've got all kinds of books on physiology and treatments in my library, but I think I'd rather trust somebody with the training and equipment to x-ray my problem, determine if it's a surgical fix or something I can do with therapy and "magic potions" rather than expect somebody handing out generic advice in a book to "fix me up".

I've been treating impact injuries for over 40 years, and most of them only require rest, ice, and perhaps a little linament and massage... but when it's "spinal", it moves into the "professional help" category... as would an elbow injury. Unless you can give yourself cortisone injections for tendenitis, I'd expect you to go see the doctor.

Posted by: UKfightfreak

Re: sharp pain in elbow (from bjj) - 08/18/07 04:22 AM

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Again, I'm still old fashioned and would go to a doctor trained to examine and make a determination of what's wrong. My L-5 keeps going out in my back, and I'm headed to the orthopedic surgeon tomorrow to see if it's something that can be treated by medications, therapy, or needs surgery.

I've got all kinds of books on physiology and treatments in my library, but I think I'd rather trust somebody with the training and equipment to x-ray my problem, determine if it's a surgical fix or something I can do with therapy and "magic potions" rather than expect somebody handing out generic advice in a book to "fix me up".

I've been treating impact injuries for over 40 years, and most of them only require rest, ice, and perhaps a little linament and massage... but when it's "spinal", it moves into the "professional help" category... as would an elbow injury. Unless you can give yourself cortisone injections for tendenitis, I'd expect you to go see the doctor.





Amen.
Posted by: wristtwister

Re: sharp pain in elbow (from bjj) - 08/18/07 11:33 AM

Interestingly, I went to the doctor yesterday. The pain in my hip wasn't caused from my L-5 being out, but from oesteoarthritis in the hip joint itself.

Instead of chiropractic adjustments, I'll be doing NSAIDS medications and some stretching physical therapy... a whole different diagnosis than I would have had "self doctoring".
I've had two doses of the NSAIDS and my hip feels better already.

That kind of proves the point I was making. I would have been treating back problems when the problem was in the hip joint.

Posted by: Mark_Jakabcsin

Re: sharp pain in elbow (from bjj) - 08/20/07 08:17 AM

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Interestingly, I went to the doctor yesterday. The pain in my hip wasn't caused from my L-5 being out, but from oesteoarthritis in the hip joint itself.

Instead of chiropractic adjustments, I'll be doing NSAIDS medications and some stretching physical therapy... a whole different diagnosis than I would have had "self doctoring".
I've had two doses of the NSAIDS and my hip feels better already.

That kind of proves the point I was making. I would have been treating back problems when the problem was in the hip joint.





Perhaps.....maybe even but not much more than that. Did you happen to ask your doctor how he/she came to this diagnosis? What evidence did he/she use to come to this conclusion? Blood test? No help there. X-ray? No help there either as that only shows the bone not the muscle, tendon or other soft tissue. What specifically lead the doctor to this conclusion, as the patient you do have a right to know.

Basically you said the doctor gave you pain killers and the pain reduced. No big surprise there, hardly proves any point, imo. Frankly that is treating a symptom, pain and inflamation more than a cause or a root problem. The stretching could be good. Is the doc sending you to a physical therapist? If not, well, he/she really hasn't done much for you.

Arthritis, bursitis, osteoarthritis, etc. are basically a catch all for pain in western medicine. When the patient has pain but there is nothing wrong with the skeleton, it must be one of these, hence the logic goes. Very unscientific and that is why I asked if your doctor had SPECIFIC evidence that led him/her to the diagnosis or if it was simply the normal fall back. Western medicine does an outstanding job of dealing with severe trauma and disease but not such a good job with chronic problems, especially in soft tissue.

I agree that for tricky problems, self diagnosis and treatment is not the best. However there are a number of other options besides traditional western medicine that offer treatment options worth exploring with a knowledgeable practioner. Many of these treatment options are making inroads into western medicine and are even being recommended by some doctors.

For you specifically I recommend checking out the book "Somatics" by Thomas Hanna and if it interest you find a therapist skilled in these techniques. The little you have shared about your age and injury suggest there is a decent chance you are experiencing sensory-motor amnesia (SMA). With a skilled therapists you can recover quickly and stop taking the NSAIDS (not so good for the stomach).

Oh, incase you are wondering here are a couple of comments from M.D.s found on the back of the book.

"This book could make a real difference for the vast number of people who suffer from musculoskeletal ailments. I heartily recommend it to everybody who wants to enjoy his own existence more fully" Hulmut Milz, M.D., former consultant to the World Heath Organization

"Thomas Hanna's subtle exercises offer the exciting possibility that we can continue to be supple and graceful. Highly recommended for those who hang on past their 30s." Arther Deikman, M.D., University of California, San Francisco.

This of course does not prove anything. You will need to make up your own mind, if you are so inclined.

Best of luck,

Mark J.
Posted by: shills11

Re: sharp pain in elbow (from bjj) - 08/21/07 08:35 AM

I had the exact same problem, caused by an armbar also, my elbow still hurts in the morning some times but the best thing that i found to work was Dit Dar oil its a chinese linament (much like boxing linament i guess) #

I recomend that
Posted by: AAMeeting

Re: sharp pain in elbow (from bjj) - 01/08/08 03:24 PM

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In my opinion, you should never recommend herbal remedies to someone. Sure, a lot of them seem to work, but they don't work for everyone. Plus, you don't know if someone is allergic to one of the contents of a remedy. Not to mention, I don't think a majority of people are willing to spend a handful of money on a book and herbs when they have cheaper/free alternatives.



The major cause of death in America and here in Australia too is... MEDICAL ERROR! thats right, western medicine mistakes, sure people die from herbs but its so rare someone is allergic to it, usually it is alergy to western drugs that will kill you

I think the first thing you should do is try out herbs, acupuncher, physio, massage before you see a doctor, maybe se him for an exray or something but I can guess what he will say, either give you pain killers or surgery, no matter what, surgery is the answer to everything

This is the cheap alternative, what is not cheap is surgery or drugs because your paying with your health not just your money
Posted by: MattJ

Re: sharp pain in elbow (from bjj) - 01/08/08 04:34 PM

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The major cause of death in America and here in Australia too is... MEDICAL ERROR! thats right, western medicine mistakes, sure people die from herbs but its so rare someone is allergic to it, usually it is alergy to western drugs that will kill you



Are you an idi.........mmmmm, sorry.

What I mean is, do you have stats or links to back that assertion up?
Posted by: BodhiHuss

Re: sharp pain in elbow (from bjj) - 01/10/08 03:25 PM

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/11856.php

http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/2000/500_err.html

http://www.ahrq.gov/qual/errback.htm

http://www.cancure.org/medical_errors.htm

Even the low estimates are in the thousands. I'm not advocating self-diagnosis, but deaths due to medical error are a serious problem.

I personally had sharp pains in my elbow, knees, and shoulder (at different times). I saw several orthopedic specialists with no success. They all told me I would live with pain for the rest of my life. Eventually, I stumbled across a supplement combination and a exercise devise called the Shoulder Horn.

I am now 34 and my knees, shoulder, and elbow have never been better. I train about 20 hours a week (karate, aikido, tai chi, and weight training) with no problems. Again, I am not advocating self-diagnosis, but there are effective alternatives.
Posted by: MattJ

Re: sharp pain in elbow (from bjj) - 01/10/08 04:40 PM

Thanks for the links. I will look into the shoulder horn thing, too.
Posted by: BodhiHuss

Re: sharp pain in elbow (from bjj) - 01/11/08 07:41 AM

Shoulder Horn:

http://www.qfac.com/gear/shoulderhorn.html

I have had great results from using this thing (and so have several of my friends). I highly recommend it.
Posted by: shills11

Re: sharp pain in elbow (from bjj) - 01/17/08 09:44 AM

does anyone know if this is available in the uk?? i cant find them anywhere
Posted by: BrianRVanCise

Re: sharp pain in elbow (from bjj) - 01/17/08 11:42 AM

Rest up that elbow and get it checked by a physician. This is a petty common injury in grappling circles so hopefully it is just a flare up and just a minor irritation. Still get checked up. Good luck!