Matt Furey

Posted by: shortoption

Matt Furey - 08/05/05 10:53 PM

Hi all, I'm new here. Anyone here ever use or know Matt Furey's stretching method? If so, did it work well for you?
http://www.mattfurey.com/combat_stretching.html

Thanks!
Posted by: mma

Re: Matt Furey - 08/06/05 12:26 AM

Matt Furey is a fraud. Don't waste your money.

http://www.bullshido.net
Posted by: Ryokan

Re: Matt Furey - 08/06/05 06:30 AM

And you have evidence to prove this? I hope you have a good lawyer... this sounds like libel to me.
Posted by: MattJ

Re: Matt Furey - 08/06/05 08:20 AM

Matt Furey's credentials are very much suspect IMO as well. Whether his system works is a different question that I do not know the answer to.
Posted by: Crash

Re: Matt Furey - 08/06/05 09:53 AM

Believe me, Furey's conditioning stuff is solid, I don't know about his stretching but his conditioning is awsome!
here is a link to the royal court from "Combat Conditioning" which is an awsome bodyweight workout!

www.bodybuilding.com/fun/mahler19.htm

the handstand push ups are not part of the Royal Court but are great if you want a challenge.

I also do the magnificent seven which are featured in "Combat Abs"
Posted by: mma

Re: Matt Furey - 08/07/05 03:26 AM

Re-phrase: Matt Furey's "System" is not his system, but rather a bunch of different body weight conditioning methods that he stole from other athletes as well as compiled a bunch of gymnastics conditioning, then he puts his name on it and charges $500+ for it. He's not a martial artist, he's a scam artist. I can go to wrestling practice and do the exercises that he claims he invented, but if you want to pay half a grand just to learn stuff you can learn at your local gymnastics club for a quarter that price, then go right ahead. No one's stopping you.
Posted by: Ryokan

Re: Matt Furey - 08/07/05 07:25 AM

Hmmm... it's getting from bad to worse. Now you're accusing him of "stealing"....

Have you actually purchased and evaluated his material or are you simply passing on "hearsay"?
Posted by: mma

Re: Matt Furey - 08/07/05 02:35 PM

Dude, I've read alot of his stuff including his "combat conditioning." He didn't invent that stuff, or dig up any "ancient conditioning secrets." Those are alot of conditioning exercises used to train gymnasts, wrestlers, and the military. Believe me, they didn't get it from Matt Furey.
Posted by: imcrazy

Re: Matt Furey - 08/08/05 02:29 AM

Mr. mma if you actually took time to read the books you'd realise that Matt Furey is not claiming to have inveted any of this, he states it as a compilation of different exercises that he has used. Some of these he learned from Karl Gotch.

I am not here to profess that Matt Furey is the be all and end all, however from the exercises I have used, I must say they work.
Posted by: tomh777

Re: Matt Furey - 08/08/05 11:22 AM

Ah...yet another post dedicated to the ever controversial Matt Furey...Since Combat Conditioning is the mainstay of my conditioning routine I'll throw in my 2 cents...

Are Mr. Fureys credentials suspect?...
I don't know and I don't care because Combat Conditioning has done wonders for me.

Is Mr. Furey an evil self promoting capitalist pig snake oil salesman?..
Once again...I don't know and I don't care because Combat Conditioning has done wonders for me.

Was spending $30 just to learn 3 exercises that I basically already knew worth it?.. Yep...because...you guessed it...Combat Conditioning has done wonders for me.

Humanity is full of all kinds of presidents, preachers, teachers, leaders, etc., that were morally bankrupt in some form or another yet they still did very good things for society. Consequently, because I like the product of Combat Conditoning I will continue to use it and recommend it to other people.

As far as Mr. Fureys character...I just don't care. Combat Conditioning has done wonders for me.

Peace
Posted by: tomh777

Re: Matt Furey - 08/08/05 12:37 PM

Oops...before this message board gets pulled off topic and the flames start shooting...let's get back to the original question that Shortoption posted, "Has anyone ever used Matt Furey's Combat Stretching and is it worth it to buy?" I just checked mattfurey.com and he is now selling Combat Stretching for $127.00 (OUCH!!!). Also, has anyone found an effective DVD/Book, etc. on stretching that's not so expensive?

Peace
Posted by: imcrazy

Re: Matt Furey - 08/08/05 01:54 PM

Yes Tomph has made a good point. The discussion here should not be as to how credible Mr. Furey is, but how well his exercises work. I don't know as to the personal character of Matt Furey and I really don't care either. I'd probably care more if Matt furey had actually invented any of the exercises, but b/c they are all compilations, I don't worry about it. As for the exercises, try them, if they work you have your answer.

The only thing I know about Matt Furey is that he is a terrible sales man (figures he has to convince the world that this stuff works, almost reminds me of the oxy clean guy ) and he is very blunt. Also doesn't seem like the brightest light bulb in the box. But again one does not have to be smart to exercise (only to build rockets etc.). Oh ya and he charges WAY to much money for his stuff.

Does combat stretching work? Well I personally have not tried it, however going on his last 2 books and their effectiveness I would say probably yes.
Posted by: Barwick

Re: Matt Furey - 08/09/05 03:15 PM

Quote:

Re-phrase: Matt Furey's "System" is not his system, but rather a bunch of different body weight conditioning methods that he stole from other athletes as well as compiled a bunch of gymnastics conditioning, then he puts his name on it and charges $500+ for it. He's not a martial artist, he's a scam artist. I can go to wrestling practice and do the exercises that he claims he invented, but if you want to pay half a grand just to learn stuff you can learn at your local gymnastics club for a quarter that price, then go right ahead. No one's stopping you.



Wow, you really are amazing. Did you learn all that from Karl Marx and Josef Stalin?

Dude, nowhere does he claim that he invented these exercises.

What he DID do was something exceedingly smart. He came up with his own product and almost his own market. He took his own time out of his own life to research and test effective conditioning techniques from all around the world and throughout history, and condensed what he found into an easy to use form.

Apparently you think it's wrong to make money by becoming an expert in an area, using techniques that others freely will teach (but would take years to learn if we each had to do it individually), and condense it so that busy people like myself who own our own business PLUS work 40 hours a week on top of that AND have a young family and house to take care of, can learn conditioning techniques in a VERY short amount of time, and get themselves in a better state of health.

Now the only person on the planet I know who would be vehemently opposed to something like that is a guy who's name was Karl Marx (and a few of his followers).

Matt Furey provides a service, makes it so I don't have to spend years researching these techniques, and I'm willing to take MY money and give it to him in return for that information. It may not be unique information, but if I were to find all that information on my own, it would either cost me thousands of dollars on expert trainers, or years of my life. I'm willing to pay money for that.
Posted by: mma

Re: Matt Furey - 08/09/05 05:25 PM

Quote:

What he DID do was something exceedingly smart. He came up with his own product and almost his own market. He took his own time out of his own life to research and test effective conditioning techniques from all around the world and throughout history, and condensed what he found into an easy to use form.



Good lord, NO HE DIDN'T!

http://scientificwrestling.com/letter_from_karl.htm
Posted by: tomh777

Re: Matt Furey - 08/09/05 07:34 PM

Help me...I'm still trying to understand...Does Matt Furey being a good for nothing scam artist mean his stretching program is good or bad(?!?!)

MMA,
I appreciate your frustration with Fureys exaggerated claims, etc. However, I must remind you..."All press is good press." In other words the more you rant and rave about Furey, the more attention you draw to him...the more attention you draw to him, the more attention you draw to his products...the more attention you draw to his products, the more his products sell.
If you can't stand him or his products then ignore him and he'll go away.

By the way...everybody...has anybody ever tried Fureys "Combat Stretching?"

Peace
Posted by: Barwick

Re: Matt Furey - 08/10/05 12:24 AM

Quote:

Quote:

What he DID do was something exceedingly smart. He came up with his own product and almost his own market. He took his own time out of his own life to research and test effective conditioning techniques from all around the world and throughout history, and condensed what he found into an easy to use form.



Good lord, NO HE DIDN'T!

http://scientificwrestling.com/letter_from_karl.htm



Right dude... I've seen this letter before, been there... and let me tell you. If Karl Gotch is the champion everyone says he is, then I'd put money down with a 99% certainty that that letter did NOT come from Karl Gotch.

No truly successful person would EVER speak of another person like that. EVER. I've met plenty of "successful" people, and they'd talk like that, but not anyone who's really a real success in life (aka someone who had to work their guts out and sacrifice to get the success they've achieved). Truly successful people have character and integrity, AND tact... that letter had zero of it. So either Karl Gotch isn't the man people thought him to be (which I doubt), or some idiot out there (hint: probably a competitor of Matt Furey's products) wrote that letter to slander Matt Furey.

Or, whoever DID write that letter is just some whiny-faced socialist-type who can't stand someone making money off of ideas, and is ticked off because Matt Furey is making money selling a collection of training exercises and techniques that many experts in that area probably already know or at least have heard of. And they're ticked they didn't think of it first, so they go blast the guy who decided to add value to the ideas by putting them in a short, easy to use collection, so that people like ME can decide if we want to spend our money on his products or not. It's got plenty of good reviews from military personnel, and they've worked well for me personally as well.

So, just because the guy is making a buck selling a collection of freely available information from a variety of sources (aka HARD to collect in one place without significant time), doesn't make him a crook. He's simply making it easier for people like me. And if YOU don't like it, then don't buy his stuff. Crap, you remind me of the people who whine about Wal Mart...

And TomH: I haven't tried Combat Stretching yet, but I plan on buying it as soon as I hit a business goal. If it's anything like his other products, I expect it to work well.
Posted by: mma

Re: Matt Furey - 08/10/05 01:39 AM

They wouldn't post it on bullshido if it wasn't legit. Here's some $100 advice for free: $100 will get you one of Matt Furey's conditioning books so that you will have to do it yourself with minimal instuction (more like a paragraph). That same $100 will get you 2 months at a top quality fight gym where you do body calisthetics every day for a hour to warm up plus live instruction. Lets see, book...maximum instuction...book...maximum instruction...which one should I chose?

Post script: what's up with the socialist comments? What does that have to do with anything? I don't see where that has anything to do with the topic. If the best you can do to insult me is call me a socialist, then man you're lame. Enguarde.
Posted by: Ryokan

Re: Matt Furey - 08/10/05 06:18 AM

I find it laughable that something posted on bullshido would be "legit". How is it legit? What makes it legit? Because someone posted it says so? Or because the person who posted it doesn't have an ax to grind?

As far as I can see, there is no substantive evidence to suggest that Mr Furey's material is rubbish. So far 2 individuals have already piped up, and pretty much endorsed the product.

From where I'm standing, it seems that only you have an issue with it. You say you've read the material, but it's more like you're either a dissatisfied customer or you're only regurgitating someone else's agenda. Which is it?

As with any product, you get some who love it and swear by it. And you get others who didn't get as much use out of it. I think it's quite obvious from the preceeding conversation.
Posted by: Barwick

Re: Matt Furey - 08/10/05 09:39 AM

Quote:

They wouldn't post it on bullshido if it wasn't legit. Here's some $100 advice for free: $100 will get you one of Matt Furey's conditioning books so that you will have to do it yourself with minimal instuction (more like a paragraph). That same $100 will get you 2 months at a top quality fight gym where you do body calisthetics every day for a hour to warm up plus live instruction. Lets see, book...maximum instuction...book...maximum instruction...which one should I chose?

Post script: what's up with the socialist comments? What does that have to do with anything? I don't see where that has anything to do with the topic. If the best you can do to insult me is call me a socialist, then man you're lame. Enguarde.



Really? Man mma... you know what, you're right. They wouldn't post something on the bahtroom wall (er.. the internet, in this case at bullshido), without it being true. As a matter of fact, I remember hearing someone say you were gay, and of COURSE it's true, it's posted on the internet... as a matter of fact, Here's a link to the article, click here. Seriously, go check it out, it's right there in an official article they captured at that site...

And on the socialist comment... You started out complaining that he took freely available ideas, compiled them in an easy-to-access format, made them available for sale, and *gasp* made a profit on it. Then you post a link to a "real" letter supposedly came from Karl Gotch, which is complaining about Matt Furey making money off of teaching people wrestling, heaven forbid a guy make money off of things he's learned... And to top it off, you complain about how much his products cost, thinking he should sell it either at cost, or for what YOU deem to be a modest profit. People wouldn't buy it (especially repeat customers) if there wasn't value there, or if they felt it was too expensive
Posted by: imcrazy

Re: Matt Furey - 08/10/05 12:14 PM

ok this is getting way out of hand! First off no one here can claim the validity of that letter b/c none of us know what Karl Gotch's handwriting looks like. So I'm not sure if its legit or not. Plus this again all comes down to Matt Furey's personal character and wether he is a greedy slime ball or not. Now I can understand people being upset b/c of how much money is charged by him, but in the same pick up any exercise book and chances are the exercises outlined within are not the author's own creation but a compilation of exercises the author learned from other sources and has used and found worked. Matt Furey is just another of these individuals. Now I think if Mr. Furey was to charge less for his products there probably would be less debate about this.

Also mma and Barwick your argument has really only helped to derail this thread. We are not discussing Matt Furey's personal character or motives b/c none of us actually know him and therefor are not qualified to judge him like you are. Again these exercises work wether or not Matt Furey is a slimeball.

Basically if you don't like Matt Furey or don't have the money for his overly expensive books there are alternatives. Like buying it used from someone, that way you aren't helping fund Furey and its usually is substancially cheaper.
Posted by: tomh777

Re: Matt Furey - 08/10/05 12:54 PM

Ya know, I must be doing something wrong...I've been reading these posts on Matt Furey for the past couple of days...and I still ain't anymore flexible(?!?!?). Maybe if we complain more about Matt Furey my flexibility will finally increase.

But that's okay...all press is good press and I'm sure Mr. Furey is laughing all the way to the bank.

By the way, "Has anybody used Combat Stretching?..somebody...anybody?
Posted by: JoelM

Re: Matt Furey - 08/10/05 11:15 PM

To put an end to this... That letter has nothing to do with Matt Furey's stretching program, it is merely complaining about his skills and instruction in wrestling.

It has no bearing on the current discussion, so cut it out. Everybody.

Also, if you have nothing to comment on Matt Furey's stretching program, then make no comment or start a new thread.

-Joel
Posted by: malanr116

Re: Matt Furey - 08/20/05 03:21 PM

Havn't bought into the combat stretching (129 is a bit much for me too) But even if Matt Furey is a lowlife scumbag, I still bought Combat Conditioning and Combat Abs. (incredibly smart taking out of print material and making it available again) These two books are great, and the exercises really do work.

Since i don't know about the stretching book, i did buy another book. Stretching Scientifically by Thomas Kurtz

http://www.stadion.com

He even has a free newsletter talking about the contents of his book and other studies. Well worth the $25 bucks.

MMA: So while you are at it why don't you start bashing this guy's creditability too? Can't leave him out!

Those who speak, do not know; those who know, speak when asked!

BTW: I think this Bullshido.com website is just a bunch of people that suddenly relized that the WWE or WWF really is fake, and are trying to use the UFC to hide their anguish. hehehehehehe


This guy is a trainer and i think he has a PHD is sports medicine.

Quote:

Ya know, I must be doing something wrong...I've been reading these posts on Matt Furey for the past couple of days...and I still ain't anymore flexible(?!?!?). Maybe if we complain more about Matt Furey my flexibility will finally increase.

But that's okay...all press is good press and I'm sure Mr. Furey is laughing all the way to the bank.

By the way, "Has anybody used Combat Stretching?..somebody...anybody?

Posted by: tomh777

Re: Matt Furey - 08/31/05 11:29 PM

Quote:

Havn't bought into the combat stretching (129 is a bit much for me too) But even if Matt Furey is a lowlife scumbag, I still bought Combat Conditioning and Combat Abs. (incredibly smart taking out of print material and making it available again) These two books are great, and the exercises really do work.

Since i don't know about the stretching book, i did buy another book. Stretching Scientifically by Thomas Kurtz

http://www.stadion.com

He even has a free newsletter talking about the contents of his book and other studies. Well worth the $25 bucks.










Thanks for the info. At this point I think I'll bypass Combat Stretching but since you mentioned it, I've heard nothing but good about Combat Abs so I think I'll take a chance and pick up a copy of that.

Peace
Posted by: chome4

Re: Matt Furey - 10/07/05 12:57 AM

The Furey stuff's free via one of the many download programs around...call it product evaluation!
Posted by: CSepulveda

Re: Matt Furey - 11/22/05 01:56 AM

Well, this probably be my first and last post here unless asked more especifics on Matt Furey. Seven months ago I sent for his Carpal tunnel exercises and they worked. within a month, I sent for his Stretching exercises and they did work. So far I also ordered the Combat Abs and Combat Conditionnining Books and videos and all of them have worked for me. Thirty pounds later and no back pain, hand/wrist pain(due to carpal tunnel syndrome), or knee pain. And more flexible than when I was 18. BTW, I am 43yo with a long history of back pain and knee pain thanks to the Army. As for credentials and such. I really do not care since those exercises have changed my physique for the best and also my health.
Posted by: JasonM

Re: Matt Furey - 11/22/05 07:03 AM

That is great news! Your comment about the army caught my attention. I am curious, how did the army mess up your back? I served in the Army, and must say I was in pretty good shape while I was in. And, I have Matt Furey's combat conditioning and it was funny that a lot of the stuff in there we used to do for PT. I am curious what is so different between Matt Furey and regular PT in the army?

Respectfully,

- Jason
Posted by: tomh777

Re: Matt Furey - 11/29/05 11:18 PM

Yep!! As I've already said Furey's methods cured an ACL tear in my knee. Was it worth 29 bucks?..Hmmm, 29 bucks to learn how to do hindu squats and cure an ACL tear vs. long hours of physical therapy, doctors visits, medical bills, etc. Ya know I just can't fault Mr. Furey for "stealing" the money from a naive fool like me. With any luck, I'll continue to be naive and gladly be giving him more money in the future.
Posted by: MikeMartial

Re: Matt Furey - 11/30/05 09:15 AM

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Yep!! As I've already said Furey's methods cured an ACL tear in my knee.



So, can you explain the physiology behind this "cure" of an ACL tear? I was under the impression that the only thing that could cure a torn ligament was a surgeon's knife.
Posted by: tomh777

Re: Matt Furey - 12/04/05 08:10 PM

MikeMartial,

I stand corrected. I asked my wife about my alledged ACL tear and she just laughed at me and explained that an ACL tear is severe and curable only with surgery (my wife is a physical therapist). She stated that most likely I had something lesser such as an LCL or MCL tear. As far as hindu squats "curing" the ligament tear, most likely what happened was the surrounding ligaments got strengthened by the hindu squats thus compensating for the torn ligaments, rather than "healing" the torn ligaments. Either way, even though my understanding of physiology and anatomy may be off, after walking around several months with a bad knee that tended to pop out and get re-injured, whatever the hindu squats did for me they did it well.

Peace

PS-by the way...did I tell you how hindu squats cured my mental illness, made me a member of the mensa society, made me rich beyond my wildest dreams,gave me great musical skills...and even gave me the ability to buy the Golden Gate Bridge (I was told it should be arriving in the mail within 7-10 working days)?
Posted by: MikeMartial

Re: Matt Furey - 12/04/05 10:33 PM

LMAO

Chances are, the hindu squats didn't "strengthen" your ligaments, (ligaments are fairly static bands that connect bone) but strengthened your quadriceps and surrounding tendons. (which may have alleviated any patella tracking disorder)

They may have also increased your sinovial fluid production at the knee joint.

But at least we're clear that Matt Furey can't cure ACL tears.
Posted by: tomh777

Re: Matt Furey - 12/05/05 10:35 PM

Thanks for the clarification.
Posted by: Infinity

Re: Matt Furey - 03/01/06 09:05 AM

For those of you who think Matt Furey is God's gift to fitness, I would suggest you read this. Matt Furey's mentor doesn't seems to think very highly of him. His mentor, Karl Gotch, spoke out against him in this letter written about half a year ago. Steve Maxwell and John Du Cane, both who know Karl Gotch have read the letter. They have lost respect for the greedy, money hungry Matt Furey.


http://www.scientificwrestling.com/letter_from_karl.htm
Posted by: Infinity

Re: Matt Furey - 03/01/06 09:11 AM

On a personal note, I have read his Combat Conditioning book, Combat Abs and seen the Combat Conditioning DVD's and the Handstand Power DVD. No "secrets" in the handstand video at all. Very amateur videos, nothing new to learn from the, especially if you're a seasoned athlete and/or martial artist. Matt has lost a lot of friends due to lust for money. John Du Cane no longer speaks or works with him at all, Steve Maxwell certainly has changed his perspective of Mr. Furey. Go here to get flexible:

http://www.stadion.com/
Posted by: MikeMartial

Re: Matt Furey - 03/02/06 04:44 PM

I agree 100%. Save you money and spend it on Kurz, not Furey.

On a side not, I found and downloaded some of Furey's videos from a P2P server. Pretty much a total joke.
Posted by: JasonM

Re: Matt Furey - 03/03/06 04:32 AM

I would say he is a joke. I mean, ya have to give the guy credit, he has taken exercises that have been around for years and put them in a book and is making money. The exercises are good, he is just making money on them...More of a con man than a joke...Adverstising that his books offer BIG SECRET exercises...
Posted by: imcrazy

Re: Matt Furey - 03/03/06 07:41 PM

Hehe well I'm back and after reading more into Matt's stuff and other stuff as well, I'm now on the side of the Matt Furey is a joke thing.

I would like to start off by saying, some of his stuff works, just not as well as some other stuff I have tried. Also after seeing formats of other books I must say his is terrible. Almost no detail into how or why said exercise works, not even very well detailed intructions on preforming some techniques.

Yep I'm here to say everything I said earlier was based on me not checking into other sources and actually seeing what else is out there. I even get kinda sick reading what I said ealier and see how really stupid I was haha. Oh well you live and you learn, and this is just an example of how a number of months of learning can make all the difference.

I have kurz's book Scientifically Stretching and haven't read it much yet, so I can't really comment on it. But as it came highly recommended I bought it. Also another book I'm reading at the moment is Ross Enamait's "Underground Guide to Warrior Fitness", although I absolutely hate the title it seems to be very decent. Alot more details on techniques and has other chapters on things like nutrition which I thought was awesome that it was thrown in there. Again I can't really comment on the nutrition area as I myself have not done enough research in to that subject. The book is more detailed, and the guy certainly seems to know what hes talking about, at least a lot more than Furey anyway.

Now I still have a lot of reading to do into the area so take anything I say with that thought in mind. Learning is a process and in that process we learn from our mistakes. And I just learned I made a fool of myself. Hehe oh well....

Posted by: Sven

Re: Matt Furey - 03/31/06 08:08 AM

Just a small question.
I am not interested in how or what kind of guy this matt furey is altho I admit i became a bit suspicious when i saw the site and googled for it.

I downloaded his stretching and conditioning series. I have seen alot of nice exercicses on them with some tips. Now my problem is that I am kinda unsure if these exercises are safe. Hindu squats for example: I like to think that those kind of exersices are bad for the knees yet I could be wrong. Thats why I'm asking. and second of all the Isometric stretching part. The exersices look great but as I see it is PNF stretching and many ppl say not to do it every day.

At this moment I'm a taekwondoka in a bad shape desperately looking for a workout that provides strength and flexibility and explosiveness in one and stick to it. But I seem to get lost in the overflow of information not able to see which is real and which is fake. I'm not risking screwing up my body. I already tore my right adductor twice and i still wanna do a side split

So plz help me out on this one. Got 2 weeks of vacation and no solid workout.
Posted by: Chen Zen

Re: Matt Furey - 03/31/06 06:18 PM

Sven. I would look into the Kurz method. And supplement that with work at your local gym If you have a good gym around you then the personal trainers are going to know what kind of excercises will be safe for you due to your injuries. If nothing else just go and speak to them and get some free advice.

To Everyone Else... I realize that this forum went for some time without Moderation and some of you feel as though you can speak in any manner you desire. That is NOT the case. This site is a dojo for all respective purposes and therefore you will conduct yourself in that manner. That means not only courtesy to fellow members here. But also that you will not slander, other websites or MA personalities. Thats not respectful, and while you may have a disagreement or even a grievance with a person or a site, be civil. Or be Gone. First and Last warning.