Kung Fu destroying in MMA bouts.

Hax -

The majority of wushu that I have seen is practiced for form, and the sparring they do is generally not MMA-style. If you haven't done MMA-type sparring, it may be difficult to understand why single styles don't work very well against MMA - but they don't.

If you watched the Jason Delucia vids, he got pwned by Royce Gracie. Twice. You have to train for all ranges!

Kung fu just isn't for sport fighting. It's not even very good for street fighting/SD, unless you're very good at it, which takes years - which most people don't put in.
YouTube is a hotbed of mediocrity at best, so I wouldn't go looking for too much quality there. There is some, but there's so much crap you can't be too sure what you're looking at if you're inexperienced. Plus, you have to deal with a lot of uninformed/stupid opinions that may subtly affect your judgement of a style, performance, demo or fight.
Don't worry about kung fu 'pwning it'. If the style is right for you and you get what you need from it, keep it up. If you spend your time worrying about the credibility of your school, style etc. you're probably in the wrong place.
If you need to feel tough, just go box with someone. Nothing like a few shots to the dome to get your ego in the right place
But seriously man, don't concern yourself with finding evidence that 'kung fu works' or 'rules' or 'kicks a$$'. It only does if you do.

what does tma stand for?

Traditional Martial Arts.

Well, what if there is a tma that is about combat for survival? The art of knowing how most efficiently to take down an opponent. A science of death. I think I found that art.

SH - Please, please, PLEASE think a lot more about why you are training before you go down this path. Wanting to be deadly has nothing to do with being a martial artist. It's very easy to be a badass in the modern world - guns have seen to that. Instead of worrying about living out your own private Kill Bill movie, concentrate on challenging yourself, overcoming and finding new challenges. Spar with people for experimentation, not an opportunity to dominate. And under no circumstances use your skill to hurt someone because you want to - even if they mean you harm.
Wing Chun, alot of other kung fu's and in my opinion, MOST MA's are about learning control. If you don't have it, you can't get it. Control yourself, control the opponent, then you can control the fight.
Be humble about your developing skills and hey, try to have a little FUN for crying out loud.
Martial arts, whether TMA, MMA, JKD, WTF... just don't need any more Rambos.
Peace.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ9sB0pumXU

here's a guy who win's an MMA bout who trains wing chun

and heres another:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVyrNR39m3E&feature=related

""Often times when I'm fighting street thugs and I'm losing, using TKD or karate, I simply switch to kung-fu and completely destroy a whole group of people. ""

WHAT A IGNORANT STATEMENT. WITH FAJINGS AND DIMMAKS IT IS OPSSIBLE TO BEAT MANY PEOPLE AT A TIME ULIKE WITH OTHER FIGHTING TYPES.

Those vids weren't bad. I wonder how his chi sao is. I need see a lot of centerness in his strikes though. especially with his opponent of the ground. A lot of WCers still raise their shoulder for close range attacks. They forget about elbow power.

sure his WC in the ring wasn't the best, but honestly who cares all that much? Just because he trained in WC doesnt mean he has to look like he does 100% of the time. If he learned how to punch in a WC class and can use that punch (however he decides to) to make wins in the ring? Then I'm cool with that.

But he has a school to go to, do you SifuHax?

I just take my belt off. WHADDATAH!

No, I don't attend any school.

if you have a chance to, I'd HIGHLY recommend it. Nothing can replace having an experienced person guide you in your movements.

and if you don't have an instructor..then where are you learning your stuff from? youtube?

I had instructors. I train what they taught everyday. And of course it's to be recommended to have an experienced person guiding and supervising. Wing Chun lessons aren't cheap nor are they close to the area I'm in. I take lessons when I can and I practice them till the next time I can go to class. It saves money and I get to really practice what's gone over in class.

its cool that you practice at home, not everyone does that. But you also need your practice to be supervised too. Sometimes I might think that I'm doing a technique correctly only to find out that I needed it to be tweaked or changed.

and I'd have to agree with Taison a little. Practice your WC at home but if you want to be better overall as a fighter and martial artist, get yourself to a local school to supplement your home training. Pick up karate or something and practice your WC on the side.

ShikataGaNai is right. Kung Fu was developed long before MMA existed. The reasons for it's birth came at a time when the world was a different place.

MMA has become a quick and easy way to make a quick buck displaying the "glamor" of fighting, while skimming off the philosophy and honor that came with its origins.

Jumping in a cage and brawling someone isn't true Martial Arts in my book.

Don't get me wrong, it takes quite a bit of dedication and effort to make a career out of it. But in my opinion, it lacks what make The Arts so amazing to other people that don't do it for an MMA career.

I give credits to anyone involved in any Art, even MMA.

But, I'm not always on board with how it is displayed.

I feel that watching MMA gives kids a someone tainted view of what Martial Arts really is.

What? Dude, I didn't say any of that. I like MMA. And I don't really care that much about kids...

LOL, guess your message wasnt clear enough

What is the etiquette when going into a new school? Is it cool to ask for demonstrations and even a light spar? Taking Buddha Hand Wing Chun as my main art, what would be a good other art? Muay Thai seems like a cool art to study. I saw some Kenpo schools around. What is the most bang for my buck?

I personally love Muay Thai and think it flows with, and fills in some gaps in Wing Chun (unless of course I was a master with mad skills, which there are very few of).
But don't go in asking for anything. Train what they show you. If you get some free sparring time, work some of your WC in to see what happens. The results are usually mixed, and should be. A student may ask you where you pulled that crazy technique from after a good spar, then you can talk about what you do. But for the most part - empty cup. JMO.

just go in and watch, see what they do, how their train. But like Shikata said, don't really ask of anything.

but if you're talking about taking up another MA, first you have to ask the might Google what schools are around you first. Can't take up Muay Thai when the nearest school is 2 hours away. Search first then we could probably give you some better recommendations

Always be polite and observe. Some schools are run by people like me. I offer anyone and everyone a chance to touch hands or spar if they want. We also have open mat saturday. Anyone can come in and spar/ train if they agree to the rules and don't seem crazy. Working out or friendly sparring is not a fight to the death and you don't try to hurt anyone.

Some schools wont touch hands with a stranger at all.

You must also keep in mind that your asking about sparring may be taken as a type of challenge. There are those that will seek to dominate any type of " friendly challenge' . Leung Ting schools for example are taught the following. Some one wants to roll,or do some chi sau etc. Most schools will roll a few times and then do some soft or light attacks to test things out slowly. Leung Ting folks will touch your hands and then immediately attack hard trying to dominate and intimidate.

Don Chi Sau, I haven't seen you post anything in a while.

Thanks folks for the advice.

Good post Don, I'd add that it doesn't hurt to ask some questions if you're not seeing what you're looking for-

I've sat in on classes before where unfortunately the regular class doesn't practice anything close to resembling what the "black belts" are practicing (which is realistically where you want to go isn't it?)- I asked the trainer if they did any open hand techniques and got a really good response, had a spar and got a much better appreciation for their style than had I sat back. (Incidently they sucked so didn't go back, but finding out they suck up front saves a lot of money down the track)

Something Im having a hard time understanding... What is wrong with learning pure styles? I understand using styles that work to your advantages, but why an entire new catagory for mma? Most of it looks like standard american wrestling with a few kicks. I personaly am in love with the pure shaolin styles Im learning, and quickly becomming less and less impressed with most forms of karate and newer ma's. Anyone else agree? or am I just crazy?

I'm not sure I ever really expressed negative views on learning 1 martial art....

and what is a "pure" style?

Not to mention Chung Lee/Sanshou defeating MMA legend Frank Shamrock. I don't know why Frank decided to stand up with him but I bet he knows better now. I still say style has nothing to do with it effective techniques, its how hard to train.

Sorry I don't have the Youtube video but its out there.

My prediction of Shamrock winning 2nd round via submission flew out the window when he announced that he was going to try and stand with Cung....he could've won the fight if he grappled more but oh well. Stupid decisions will result in broken arms

yea i can care less about WHAT techniques you train, so long as you are training in the right way