Just viewed Bullshido video crashing Wing Chun....

please post a link to the video you are discussing

Just search for it on Youtube

Nekko I think it is very possible he hadn't seen any or very little grappling in his training. I don't think he was aware at all of the possibility of a fast take down or the range from which a take down can occur.

I also am 100% sure that his wing chun training did not include regular training of the throws and chin-na. Won't even talk about what do to on the ground.

Why was wing chun created? No Idea why. Several different stories. I call them myths. Most popular was a desire to create method to beat the government. Some say to tame the Hung. Nothing prior to Red Boats about 1850 can be verified and even after that it's hard to verify.

Was it a faster to learn version of white crane? No. It was a new art with a white crane base. The same as SPM and Bak Mei. When you break it down Wing Chun is a combination of white crane and Emei snake with some tiger or other claw using art. The snake is not like that seen in jackie chan movies. The ging is very small body and moves in a wave up through the body and darts out the hand.

Speed in learning is relative. When it was created people trained hours every day so it no doubt was learned in a short time in terms of months and years.

Was it meant to be used in combat? Yes, but not in the sense of army vs army. The Red Boat performs lead a rebellion centered around Fatshan etc in the south during the 1850s through the 1860s. There were also wing chun people known in the boxer rebellion as well as several famous body guards and Marshals.

Did it include weapons? Yes all wing chun includes the Long pole. Most include some form of knives although most are Hung based and a few styles have a sword as well.
In fact the real win chun fighting methods and tactics are held in the pole and knife forms. Thats why the forms have been held out and watered down for general consumption. The forms are meant to be done empty handed. In fact you can perform all the hand forms with the knives . In the old days this was encouraged once the knives were taught.

If it was meant to be used in combat were other arts trained along side it? Most of the early wing chun players were already well versed in martial arts before they took up wing chun. In most family histories they came to wing chun after challenging and losing a fight. No way to know what is true.
Wing chun itself contains numerous throwing and joint manipulation techniques. the only ground fighting was concerned with how to get up from the ground after you were thrown down. There is also fighting from a kneeling position.
Some families of wing chun spend far more time on the grappling aspects than the striking aspects.

Most wing chun you see today comes from Yip Man and he did not spend much time on these aspects with most of his students. For example when he first started teaching he taught the kneeling horse but most of his students never learned it.
When his number one student Yip Bo Ching died, he was the only one taught the 12 sections of the knife after his death Yip man taught the 12 sections to Wong Sheung Lung although from what I have seen the forms are a bit different but the 12 concepts are the same, Yip Bo Chings note books contained throwing and joint locks so Yip Man taught this material to some students

Interesting in that is how I read the Yip-man started training in WC after a being beaten by a Wing Chun man. I don't remember which system he first studied.

The rumor that it was devises to counter the Hung gar practioners is interesting in that they were a powerful, strong and well thought of clan or family that controlled and marshalled over entire villages and towns. They were not known to be a quick delivery system. Though they do strike block simultaneously in some moves.


Just for info whats your opinion of WC's rivial CLF? For some reason thought easier to learn with quiker moves then Hung gar.

Whats or When was Red Boar conflict a happen?

I tried to find it again and I couldn't I found it going through harlan's post in the Internal art portion of this forum I think I went to Emin Boztez simenar then there it is.

I'd search Bullshido Wing Chun sucks in Youtube.

Thanks for the good explanation.

As I said if you have made wing chun work then good on you.

Neko I hope you dont mind me asking some what off topic questions.



Jude

JAMJTX - Hey you're welcome man. And for a backup nugget of knowledge - search it on the Bullshido site.

Be easier if someone posted links for any topic being discussed.

Just been on the site. All geared up to the same thing.

Everything is bad apart from bullshido and yes they do have
advertisers.

Create a website. Put in bullshido topics. Get a high viewer count.

Sell advertisement space.

Just going off topic somewhat.

There was an interesting song line from some years ago.

It was called "What a fool believes"

Jude

Allrightallrightalready...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=C3DsY6bCxaA
There's the MMA sucks vid.

Jude - Good points. I'm glad that you're not one of the spoon-fed impressionables. Good on ya

Jude33 wrote - Neko I hope you dont mind me asking some what off topic questions.


No thats fine you always add a little spice to the subjects discussed I thought that was informative too. I like a little spice in my rice.

Maybe Bullshiod is Bullsh$%% hype itself. I remember it tried to rim the travelling MA British Kung fu guy on a TV show he was interviewed on. It showed me that the Kung fu guy knew his stuff, unprepare whipped two or three unrehearsed attackers without really hurting them. I guess they do expose some light negative and positive.