Posted by: kempo_jujitsu
boxing vs. karate, not a poll. - 09/30/06 12:52 AM
in your art, do you really punch from the hip? (doubtful)...if not...is there really that big a difference between karate punches, and boxing punches?
note, obviously karate has a much larger toolbox from which to choose. but from a fist only standpoint (no shuto's or ridgehands) are they really that dissimilar? maybe the biggest difference is a persons point of view, or the method of power generation?
Posted by: Chen Zen
Re: boxing vs. karate, not a poll. - 09/30/06 01:00 AM
Its a persons training that is the major difference. While a karateka learns many different forms for his hands he also spends time training them. A boxer has to learn much less. So his training is going to yeild results faster.
Posted by: Mark Hill
Re: boxing vs. karate, not a poll. - 09/30/06 01:51 AM
Chen is right. But here is so much in common with boxing and classical karate though - but maybe it is just mechanics and there is only so many ways we can move.
I'll keep on taking what's good from any martial system.
Posted by: MattJ
Re: boxing vs. karate, not a poll. - 09/30/06 10:17 AM
I see very little difference IF they are trained in a similar manner.
Posted by: TheFinalOption
Re: boxing vs. karate, not a poll. - 10/03/06 04:50 PM
I think karate has a higher emphasis on precision/quality of hits, while boxing is more quantity and brute force. That's not to say a karate guy wouldn't throw really hard punches or a boxer wouldn't pick his targets, but generally I think the biggest difference between the two is the difference in how they are meant to be applied for maximum effect.
Posted by: student_of_life
Re: boxing vs. karate, not a poll. - 10/03/06 07:30 PM
my 2 cents....
alot of traditional karate schools pratice almost exclusivly straight punches(goju and isshin and kyukoshin guys please resist from the urge to hit me with a hook??) well i did in my old shotokan dojo, it wasn't till after i got my own heavy bag and asked a sensei we had in for a seminar about "boxing" style punches and why we don't train them, so he showed me how and now i do pratice them on my own time.
he told m that one of the main reasons why karate ka pratice many more straight punches then round punches was because straight punches are a very fine way for beginers to learn proper body dynamics, beginers like the school children who were some of the first to learn a "shotokan" like style of karate, so in a way pnches were kept "simple" for the sake of the children.
on the other hand, ask any expirenced karate ka, and he will tell you he most likely pratices all kinds of punches.
at least thats my expirence, theres only realy one most efficient way for the body to generate power, all the style differences are, in moy opnion just people placing focus on certin aspects of it, realy no differnece if you ask this brown belt.
Posted by: student_of_life
Re: boxing vs. karate, not a poll. - 10/03/06 08:04 PM
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-5477406747633866773&q=shotokanthe free sparing near then end looks fine to me in terms of there punching power.
and on a side note about 1 third the way through it shows hidetaka nishiyama along side the boxer guy, there punching technique has more similarities then differences i think, just a tid bit more, nishiyama is the leader of my stlye of shotokan, woot!!!vide of the guy in his yonger years!!
Posted by: Chen Zen
Re: boxing vs. karate, not a poll. - 10/15/06 12:44 PM
Boxing is full of fundamental mistakes? Like what?
Posted by: BigRod
Re: boxing vs. karate, not a poll. - 10/15/06 06:08 PM
There are no "mistakes" in boxing. Remember, the techniques and strategies used are developed for the SPORT of boxing. Any "mistakes" you see are committed by the individual, not the art/sport.
I would be very interested in hearing what specifically these so called "mistakes" are.
Posted by: Chen Zen
Re: boxing vs. karate, not a poll. - 10/15/06 07:46 PM
Bad instruction is rather universal Andy. The art of boxing itself isnt the blame. Arent you one to always say "its the individual not the art?" Theres a million strip mall karate dojos passing out blackbelts for a few hundred bucks. Its the same for TKD, Aikido, BJJ, MMA, RBSD Groups. Its everywhere. Im not interested in trading clips of bad practitioners. This conversation has gotten rather stale as well. A lot of circling going on in the conversation.
Posted by: Chen Zen
Re: boxing vs. karate, not a poll. - 10/15/06 08:10 PM
But I still dont understand, what are these "mistakes" being taught to boxers?
Posted by: mark
Re: boxing vs. karate, not a poll. - 10/18/06 03:22 AM
BleedEasy , Sorry mate, but saying “ Boxers punch harder” is huge generalisation.
The human body only works in a certain ways, to punch the hardest way it is possible for that body to do, needs LOTS of practice in a variety of punching styles, accompanied with speed/strength/accuracy training.
What tends to emerge is a particular stylised punch, or if preferred. A mix of karate and boxing.
Punching power also depends on the moment of execution, a boxer is also worrying about getting hit, so his guard often prohibits maximum use of his body mechanics, a karate reverse punch offers nothing in the way of a guard, but does use more potential body mechanics.
Have a search for Peter Consterdine on the net, his punching power is legendary.
Regards
Mark
Posted by: leprechaunway
Re: boxing vs. karate, not a poll. - 10/23/06 01:21 PM
One of my instructors explained to me that karate punches come from the center, due to the belief that the midline of the body was where the soul and power of the person abided. Boxers, on the other hand, keep their arms up higher, because the western style of thought places more emphasis on the head and eyes.
I've also been told (by those in Karate) that boxers punch harder. This comes from the fact that boxers "commit" more to each punch. A karate strike can be just as powerful, but most karate strikes focus on setting up another strike. Boxers use combinations too, but are always looking for that KO punch. In my experience, boxing vs karate ends up with the boxer getting hit a lot more than his opponent, but the damage level comes out to about the same.
Technical differences? Boxers protect their face with their deltoids every time they strike. Also, a boxer's fist rotates in the air until the inside knuckles are pointed slightly downward. Like I said, i don't have as much experience with karate, but in the dojo's I have been going to, the punches are thrown lower and the fists don't seem to rotate.
Really not trying to preach here...I know it's one of my first posts. I've been reading these forums for about a year now, and you guys have given me some good tips. Hope this helps.