Sai kata, which are there?

Posted by: Ives

Sai kata, which are there? - 01/09/06 11:37 AM

The system I train in teaches the following sai kata:

Tsukenshitahaku
Hamahiga
Tawata
Chatanyara
Yaka
Hantagawa
Jigen
Kojo

I myself are just starting to learn the first: Tsukenshitahaka.
And I find it quite difficult. (Maybe I if you know this kata, you could give me some training advice?)

Thanks for your response.
Posted by: Raul Perez

Re: Sai kata, which are there? - 01/09/06 01:46 PM

in my system there is one sai kata taught by the instructors:

Kuniyoshi No Sai Kata (Basic & Advanced)
Posted by: Ironfoot

Re: Sai kata, which are there? - 01/09/06 08:55 PM

In the Isshinryu system there are 2 or 3 sai kata.
We have Chantan Yara, Kusanku sai and Bo/Sai Kumite.
The first is perhaps the only true kata.
The second was probably made just to show you could adapt most if not all hand katas to weapons.
I believe the 3rd was invented, along with Bo/Bo Kumite, by Master Shimabuku's American students as a demonstration.
Posted by: Chatan1979

Re: Sai kata, which are there? - 01/10/06 09:40 AM

The kobujitsu system i practice studies the following sai kata:
Higaionna
Kyan
matsuhiga
Hamahiga
nicho sai
sancho sai
nakamura no sai
tawada no sai
tsukenshitahaku no sai
chatan yara no sai
Posted by: Victor Smith

Re: Sai kata, which are there? - 01/10/06 02:03 PM

Hi Ironfoot,

In Isshinryu history, Shimabuku Tatsuo originally taught a short sai kata, Kyan no Sai, later apparently discontinued and part of it forming the 'additional ending' on Kusanku kata. There is a movie of Shimabuku Sensei performing it in 1958 and the late Sherman Harrill (among others) used to do it too.

Kusanku Sai is interesting. Taira Shinken (Shimabuku's Kobudo instructor in the late 50's) often used to suggest to instructors that they adopt various kata to weapons, to suggest they focus on the weapon, and not the embusen of a kata.

Chantan Yara no Sai, is a version of the one taught by Tara. Tara is known to have changed his kata at different times, so whether he or Isshinryu's founder made the changes are a question.

Many consider Kusanku Sai a more advanced kata than Chantan Yara No Sai. Myself I go back and forth between the two as to which is more advanced.
Posted by: Genenahs

Re: Sai kata, which are there? - 01/15/06 11:26 PM

The sai katas that are in our ryukyu kobudo are:
-Kyan no sai
-Nippon sai(Tsuken Shitahaku)
-Kusanku sai
-Chatanyara no sai
In the RyuKonKai i believe there are:
-NiCho sai
-Ishikagwa nu sai
Posted by: BuDoc

Re: Sai kata, which are there? - 01/16/06 04:47 PM

If I might ask, what system do you train in that has a Kojo sai kata?

respectfully,

Page
Posted by: Ives

Re: Sai kata, which are there? - 01/17/06 06:33 AM

I study Ryukyu Kobujutsu Hozon Shinko Kai.
The system was formed by Inoue, Gansho "Motokatsu", which studied under Shinken, Taira.

For more info see: Ryukyu Kobujutsu Hozon Shin Ko Kai
Posted by: shuri

Re: Sai kata, which are there? - 02/08/06 07:46 PM

Quote:

In the Isshinryu system there are 2 or 3 sai kata.
We have Chantan Yara, Kusanku sai and Bo/Sai Kumite.
The first is perhaps the only true kata.
The second was probably made just to show you could adapt most if not all hand katas to weapons.
I believe the 3rd was invented, along with Bo/Bo Kumite, by Master Shimabuku's American students as a demonstration.




kumi means to struggle
te means hand

kumite therefore means to struggle with hands kumibo or kumisai would be the term you need here
Posted by: tnkc

Re: Sai kata, which are there? - 02/14/07 07:37 PM

Quote:

Quote:

In the Isshinryu system there are 2 or 3 sai kata.
We have Chantan Yara, Kusanku sai and Bo/Sai Kumite.
The first is perhaps the only true kata.
The second was probably made just to show you could adapt most if not all hand katas to weapons.
I believe the 3rd was invented, along with Bo/Bo Kumite, by Master Shimabuku's American students as a demonstration.




kumi means to struggle
te means hand

kumite therefore means to struggle with hands kumibo or kumisai would be the term you need here




Or kumiwaza
Posted by: tgall

Re: Sai kata, which are there? - 03/02/07 06:31 AM

Hello Paul,

in which System is are the Kuniyoshi Katas teached?

Sincerly

Thomas
Posted by: Toudiyama

Re: Sai kata, which are there? - 03/05/07 05:49 AM

Here is a list od most Sai-gata
http://kobudokata.de/KobudoKataSai.htm
Posted by: harlan

Re: Sai kata, which are there? - 03/05/07 07:52 AM

That's a lot of darn kata to learn!
Posted by: Raul Perez

Re: Sai kata, which are there? - 03/05/07 12:41 PM

Quote:

Hello Paul,

in which System is are the Kuniyoshi Katas teached?

Sincerly

Thomas




Ryukyu Kempo aka RyuTe
Posted by: tgall

Re: Sai kata, which are there? - 03/08/07 06:40 PM

Hello Paul,

never heard before about Ryukyu Kempo, could you tell anything about about?
Who is the founder from which Kobudo tradition is it influenced?

Which Kobudo Kata's do they teach?

CU

Thomas
Posted by: Raul Perez

Re: Sai kata, which are there? - 03/15/07 03:27 PM

Here are some links:

www.kushu.com
www.4selfdefense.com

Enjoy

regards,

Raul
Posted by: Ronin1966

Re: Sai kata, which are there? - 03/15/07 06:15 PM

Hello Ives:

<<You could give me some training advice?

Sure, do NOT drop the things... they hur your feet!
Sorry I couldn't resist....


Kusanku Sai
Chatanyara No Sai

Sai are a part of the curricilium but have not been reexamined in a long time. I like them but I would not pretend to have any bone fide expertise with them. Put them in your hands, a lot... flip them, twirl them, flip them....in time attempt to hit things with them, as you do with all basic empty handed techniques.

Once achieved play with other practitioners, the exploration will be enjoyable. In time increase the quality of the folks you work with...

Sai a wonderful weapon...

Jeff
Posted by: Empishu

Re: Sai kata, which are there? - 04/01/07 11:47 AM

Quote:

Hello Paul,

never heard before about Ryukyu Kempo, could you tell anything about about?
Who is the founder from which Kobudo tradition is it influenced?

Which Kobudo Kata's do they teach?

CU

Thomas




Heres a link for some good Kobudo Demons that are in Ryukyu Kempo:
http://www.ryukyukempo.com/weapons.html