Posted by: jkdwarrior
totality - 09/28/05 07:59 AM
So i've been watching MMA competitions like UFC amongst others, and i've been seeing a lot of BJJ experts in the octagon, or at least other "styles" of MA using BJJ techniques. I've been wanting to join a class where they train in a lot of groundwork such as BJJ, but i would like someone to enlighten me beforehand on if there are any classes that not only teach you locks and gaining position, escapes etc. But that also teach you to use all your weapons on the ground. I suppose what i mean is that i don't want to be fighting on the ground for 10mins when i could end it more quickly by going for the eyes or ears or groin. Would a BJJ class have drills that teach this? It sure seems to me that a BJJ fighter would definitely feel in control if he was on top, but if you were in an "anything goes" situation, even if you have "the mount" which seems to be the mother of all ground positions to be in, then there is still a good chance that you could lose.
We don't do much groundwork in my class and i suppose that it would be a good thing to learn nonetheless, But do other systems train for totality on the ground, or is it something i'm going to have to do in my own time?
Posted by: JKogas
Re: totality - 09/30/05 05:59 PM
This is a pretty good thread. I enjoy discussing this sort of thing because if handled properly, a lot of learning can come from it.
Let me ask you a question to start things off (then we'll get to the rest of the points of your post): How difficult is it to stick your fingers into someone's eyes?
-John
Posted by: jkdwarrior
Re: totality - 10/01/05 02:37 PM
in ground fighting, there are many opportunities to use these kind of tactics. That's just from what i can see as i haven't really done much ground fighting. I may be wrong, but when you look at competitions where a long time is spent on the ground. There are usually many opportunities where the fight could be ended quicker by using one of these tactics. Obviously we can't train or fight in competition and damage ourselves by allowing these techniques, but from what i can see, these could prove to be some of the most important weapons in your arsenal in a real life fight on the ground. I train only for real life situations in mind, but i suppose learning to punch as in certain MA "styles" from a ground position would increase you chances of being successful and would also increase your ability to apply foul tactics from these positions. If i have somebody in, say half guard, it would seem as if they are in an advantageous position. But if i was to grab their ear and twist it off, maybe i would have a bit of a lead. I know in attempting to do so, i would be leaving openings for a good grappler to take advantage of, but the possibility of being able to rip off someone's ear, for me, greatly outweighs the risks taken.
What im saying is that i know that there is a big place for ground fighting in MA, that's why i'm looking for a class that teaches it, but if someone doesn't use these foul tactics, then even a well experienced fighter may get beaten by a street thug. I suppose i could join a BJJ class and then later apply all my moves to what i learn, but i want a class that teaches ground fighting AND foul tactics.
Posted by: jkdwarrior
Re: totality - 10/03/05 09:55 AM
Well there you have it. I hear where you're coming from. I guess i'll join a grappling class even if it doesn't teach exactly what i want, it'll still benefit me enormously.
I'm not a beginner though. I am a very well experienced striker. What i need now is to explore the other aspects of MA and become more rounded. I mean, i have the ability to end an encounter quite easily from a standup position against an untrained or inexperienced person. I just haven't prepared for being taken down. It's not what i would like to happen in a fight, but you can't always get what you want. If i don't train for it and i suddenly find myself there, then i'm in trouble. The only thing i know at the minute is to employ foul tactics. I mean i KNOW what to do, but i'd probably lose agianst someone who has trained predominantly in this position and is comfortable on the ground. Until i learn to fight from the ground, i'm going to do everything i can to keep the fight standing. That's kind of what this thread is about. Totality. Everything that can possibly be included. Does anybody train on the ground and include foul tactics whether in class or in your own time? If not then we'd better start. If i can't do it in class, then i'll most certainly be doing it at home.