Instructor Salaries

JMWcorwin

That bites.

I have a number of people I know that are getting out of teaching--have been doing it for years and the things they have to do now to make ends meet.....insurence rates are sky high---they have to seriously undercut their training to get insured at all etc.
Students fileing lawsuits over getting hit in sparring---no sadly not kidding.

Its no wonder there are fewer and fewer good schools and good teachers.

I don't remember who asked me this but I think they do work 8 hour days. I remembered I have their schedule of classes with me.

M - 4 classes of intermediate KB (1 hour), 1 Kids Karate Class (1 hour), 1 hour of Beg. KB (1 hour), 1 MMA Class (1 hour), and 1 hour of Capoeira = 8 hours of instruction plus somewhere in between there is private instruction.

T - 1 Class of MMA (1 hour), 1 class of Kids Karate (1 hour), 2 classes of intermediate KB (1 hour), and 1 class of Beginning KB (1 hour), and 1 hour of Elite Combatives. That totals 6 hours plus private instruction somewhere in between

W= 4 classes of int. KB (1 hour), 1 class of Kids Karate (1 hour), 1 Class of MMA (1 hour), 1 Class of Beg. KB (1 hour), 1 class of Elite COmbatives (1 hour), and 1 class of capoeira (1 hour). That totals 9 hours of instruction plus private instruction in between.

Th - 1 class of kids karate, 2 classes of Int. KB, 1 Class of KB, and 1 class of MMA. THat totals 5 hours of instruction and private instruction here and there

F - 2 classes of Int. KB, and 1 class of capoeira. That's 3 hours of instruction and private instruction here and there.

Saturday - 1 class of beg. KB, 1 class of int. KB, 2 classes of Capoeira. That's 4 hours of instruction and private instruction in between.

Sunday - 2 hours of Sparring. Including private instruction here and there.

If say at 4pm Friday 1 instructor is teaching you might see 2 other instructors giving private sessions at the same time in other parts of hte dojo.

1 P/T Instructor only teaches the Elite Comabtives = 2 hours a week

1 P/T Instructor only teaches the Capoeira = 5 hours per week

1 P/T instructor only teaches the Saturday KB classes = 2 hours per week.

The main instructor & owner, and the other 2 "F/T" instructors handle the rest. But the main instructor owner is not around as much as the 2 "F/T" ones I don't think.


But I'm starting to think the owner after he pays all his instructors and dojo related fees and etc. that goes along with that between 2-4K a month...which is probably correct because they only own 1 car. Which I shouldn't assume anything based on how many cars I own...but where I live people who can afford another car GET ONE.

So I dunno.

Sheepingly

So these 3 guys--the owner and the 2 full time teachers are experts at kickboxing, mixed martial arts, caporiea, and what-ever the heck "elite combatives" might be?

Expert enough to teach all of these?

Either that or more than one person is teaching these classes.

And on Tues its only 6 hours of schdl classes, Thurs its only 5 hours of schdl classes and Fri its only 3 hours of schdl classes---or about 30 hours per week compared to the 40 hours per week that is the "avg" for everybody else--NOT counting any extra time of week ends they put it as well.

And if the different people are teaching different classes then it cuts the time down further as well.

ReRead what I put CXT lol..

1 of the P/T instructors teaches the Capoeira 5-6 hours/week

1 of the P/T instructors teaches the Elite Combatives 2 hours/wk

1 of the P/T instructors teaches the saturday morning KB classes. 2 hours/wk

The owner and the other 2 "F/T" instructors teach the rest of the classes that are during the week.

Yeah so I figure ya'all right and the owner isn't putting in a full 40 hour a week load and the other 2 "F/T" are only probably putting in 6-7 hours a day including private instruction.

Plus I saw one of the "F/T" instructors doing his laundry at the laundro mat the other day =) Not that it explains his salary but I dunno.

Question: is this place primarily a 'dojo', or are there health/gym facilities/machines as well?

I consider it a dojo. But it has two rooms..the main room which is big has mats on the ground and maybe 10 chairs off to the side and the back room is probably 1/2 the size of the main room and it has mats on the ground. Off to the side it has 1 or 2 weight machine and some closets and shelving to store pads. Also to store some extra rattan sticks, wooden knives and extra gloves if some students can't temporarily afford one. Plus it has 2 bathrooms. And 1 of those "BOB" dummies. You know those punching bags that are human shapped lol. And two regular punching bags that you hang from the ceiling. And I think I saw one of those huge balls. And some other misc. equipment.

Sheepingly

So essentially were on the same page?

These guys are not coming close to working a full 40 hour work week---we can quibble about the total hour count of course.
But from where I sit, $4000-$6000 extra dollars a month for 4 hours of work per day seems like ok money to me.

Would have loved a job like that when I was back in college--I have friends with kids that would love a job like that now.

Esp if this a new school just getting started---if its growing the money should be getting better.

BTW, I'm not figuring in the private instruction for any monies made--if I were the income would go up.
Also not figuring in the sales of gear, weapons, books, energy drinks, soda, power bars, uniforms, seminars, pads, books, DVD's, bottled water, other fees, that many schools offer to increase income.

How do you know these guys are being paid at all, or if so, not at some low rate? Like mimimum wage?

Yup we agree but I think at most the owner and his family are taking in 2K -4K after all fees, salaries and etc. are paid....and that's including private instruction.

Seminars are probably once or twice a year. Equipment sales are constant but some peopel are wise enough to buy it online instead cause it's always cheaper that way. They don't sell DVD's or anything like that. They did have a Aquafina vending machine but they took that out for some reason.

They might be harlan. I don't know. That's what this thread was started for...how much instructor's should be making...

harlan

Your right, I don't.

Just going by the figures that Sheepingly provides with a resonably breakdown in how its split.

Could be the owner is pocketing most of the cash, in which case its a pretty good deal for him--the more so since he seems to have to spend fewer hours teaching than the "teachers" do.

Get some people to teach for a few bucks per hour--no benefits, pocket the profits.........

I don't know, something is just not adding up here---if the numbers/hours I'm baseing this on are correct---there is a pretty good chunk of revenue going somewhere.

Doesn't sound like a money making operation to me...depending on the pay structure for the teachers.

Successful Kids classes generally pay the bills, and kids classes are usually treated like daycare...same kids every day. Figure 4 classes a day, maybe 30 kids/class and guessing $50 month that is only $6000/month. Not a lot for 2 FT teachers, owner and overhead. The private classes, extras, expanded curriculum for extra fees, etc. is where the extra cash comes in.

That's why I asked if the dojo generated other income, like facilities use.

Yeah I dont think the dojo is making alot of profit. Based on the fees alone.

And I don't see them making alot w/ seminars, equipment, and private instruction.

I think the owner is just making enough to support his family.